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CMwonka
Moderator
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 08:42 - Edited by: CMwonka
There was a thread posted on the forum a few days ago about bullying, the author was a new member by the name of ''maybebaby'', An IP check was carried out, this member also had numerous other accounts one of which was was held by cmtoxy.
I will not go in to all of the content of the thread because i deleted, but ''maybebady'' accused mod_woosh of been a bully, also she had whiteness him bullying cmtoxy constantly, then cmtoxy answered the post with more allegations.
We as moderators felt and still do that this is not the way a CM should conduct ones self. it was decided in a meeting of all moderators that were available to with draw her CM status. also a muzzle was placed on all accounts by emil.
May i also add that woosh has in no way been found to be/has bullying any member.
thank you
will wonka
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sexylady
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 09:36
i for one am in shock that TOXY would do that to try make woosh look more of a bully then she said he was and i did stick up for her more then oncefor other things it seem a little bit low that she would do it but on the other hand i never found woosh to be a bully in all the time ive played here wicth has been a while now for me woosh is great hes sound as a pound
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Highlander07
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 09:47
Since I have joined this site, I have had a lot of helpful advice from woosh and all the other mods and in my opinion, none of them are bully's. Their job is hard enough, without being subjected to this sort nonsense.
Keep up the good work mods.
Thank You.
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Bobbybuttmunch
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 09:56
Wonka it might be a great idea to have this post as a statement from you rather than an open topic.
It's just sitting here waiting to become a slagging match.
Please close before it all kicks off again.
Thanks.
Rob
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sexylady
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 10:16
dont think any one will kick off it will be good for all who blamed woosh to say sorry i think or maybe am worng who nos its not my post
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CMwonka
Moderator
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 10:20
Bobbybuttmunch
i have thought a lot about this my friend, i am hopfull that it will not ''kick off'', because when members read what has happened in regards to cmtoxy, they will understand.
BUT if i does 'kick off', IE: disrespecting cmtoxy or woosh, i will delete and lock the the topic.
thanks
WW
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Bobbybuttmunch
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 10:25
Ok thanks my friend.
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drbhob
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 12:15
i still dont understand the logic behind muzzling her on the tables....
her crime (if it indeed was her using multiple a/cs on the forum) was committed on the forum, and as far as i know, she has not been rude to anyone on the tables.
come on, lets be adult about this!!
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Crazygipsy87
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 12:38
If she s a real lady(and that was her picture) bring her back if shes a guy then I have to take a shower lol
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sexylady
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 12:42
i dont understand the logic behind muzzling on the table ethere she not been rude to any one whats done is done
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CMwonka
Moderator
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 12:45
drbhob
your missing the point here friend, this is not about using multiple accounts on the forum. please read the post again.
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drbhob
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 12:52
i think i totally missed it, mind telling me what the point is? coz as far as i can tell its about her accusing woosh of being a bully, and while woosh has never bullied me, i wouldnt muzzle anyone for saying they were bullied by him.
by muzzling her it seems you are saying there is truth in what she's saying and you dont want anyone to hear it.
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CMwonka
Moderator
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 13:33
drbhob
I'm sorry friend, but i refuse to say any more about it, there is more to this than meets the eye, i alone have took the decision not to publish anymore than i have, this is out of respect to cmtoxy.
so please friend, i honestly think this issue should be dropped.
WW
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drbhob
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 13:51
I respect your position on this wonks but Im sure there are lot of people like me out there who would like to know so that we do not fall in the same trap, as you will appreciate, sometimes its not just the poker but the banter that comes with it, so muzzling someone would be a bit harsh in my humble opinion, if the offence is that grave, why not ban her?
A little clarity on what else (other than the rules we already know, as tox surely didnt break those) would leave us open to a muzzle would be helpful, or is it simply at mods and admin discretion.
DB
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WhistleBlower
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:06
Mr Wonka...
I totally agree with your decision to make this post. I remember posting in that thread which you deleted, rightly so, i know what has been going on and i cant believe i decided to put all my thoughts about toxy and our own run-ins aside and feel a teensy bit sorry for her. Ive been around when woosh has been around never come across him stepping the line. I just cant believe someone would go to such lengths, on a bleedin' website, someone who had a status and im sure is mature enough to have gone ahead with what i think has transpired. Im not even gonna carry on lest i end up saying something which will be the cause of this thread being locked!!!
The decision to muzzle is a calculated decision, and i think i can totally guess why. Some of you need to think of it this way, it will be better for toxy to be muzzled so it avoids any replies in the chat box. I say no more. Hence the reason she probably hasn't got a ban.
Dr Bhob - Its is not a trap that you will fall into. This is something that toxy created herself, think of it as shooting yourself in the foot, so to speak.
OG
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MMxx
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:30
CMToxy says: i want to reply to all comments made but i am still banned from posting
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WhistleBlower
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:41
probably for the best
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nutcase
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:44
hmmmmmm
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drbhob
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:45 - Edited by: drbhob
I believe in one's right to defend oneself....what's the point of starting a thread levelling accusations at someone if they cant defend themselves against those accusations?
pointless thread me thinks!
raised more questions than it answered.....
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Crazygipsy87
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:46
Ok now I have to say something smart I dont know what was the problen( and I dont care) but I do know that when u start fighting with mods then u slip too far and start to fight against whole sistem and u cant stop luckyly for me wonka was very polite and stopped the whole thing getting too far anyway It would be nice that u allow toxy to play without being muzzle( cause its better to shoot someone in a head ) because I know this site means way too much to her than me God I feel tired
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MMxx
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:50
On behalf of myself: I think both Toxy and Woosh have acted strangely, each in their own way. As for Toxy, I don't understand why someone uses different user names either on the table or on the forum. As for Woosh, I don't understand why a moderator discusses internal matters or his opinions on players in the chatbox.
I think both of them know what they did and should learn from it. Let's hope this can be finished one day. It doesn't matter who is more right than the other, just get on playing poker and have a good chat with your fellow poker players. Because that's why we're all here. We already have enough to worry about in real life, let's not make it worse in here.
Now, just mind your cards please....
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WhistleBlower
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 16:56
think of it this way....
ive made a topic in the forum. something controversial.
then it got deleted.
people are now curious as to why it got deleted and want the full story of this controversy.
so they come find me and ask me because no one else wishes to talk about it.
see where this is going? as much as i wouldn't want a muzzle,
to avoid this going any further
muzzling me would mean
that
it is not being discussed by myself and i cant then go around telling everyone my version of the story and filling peoples heads with...well im sure you get the drift now.
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Daniella
Moderator
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 17:51 - Edited by: Daniella
The definition of an Internet Troll.
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."
It simply cannot be allowed in any way, shape or form -on any site.
Once it's proven, the Admin has no recourse in the matter but to nip it in the bud.
Luckily for people here, the Admin allows people who are disruptive in *any way* -to still play and there is always MSN for those wishing to communicate with people who are muzzled...or banned off the forum.
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drbhob
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 18:20
now toxy is an internet troll?? wow!!
with all due respect I think you are the one who is off topic here. `
Is toxy disruptive because she accused a mod of bullying or because she used multiple accounts?
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Daniella
Moderator
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 19:17 - Edited by: Daniella
When you create a persona to carry out disruption towards a member of a site, especially if you choose to answer your own fake character to back yourself up -by definition, you are carrying out as an internet troll.
It's putting forth and baring false witness, which could very well lead into a lynch mob mentality towards the person it's directed at -simply based on its falsified hearsay.
Slander and liable in the form of propaganda is dangerous practice...for all concerned.
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drbhob
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 19:31
so surely barring her forum accounts would suffice as punishment would it not?
i play on the same table as toxy for long periods as we are in the same time zone and have not once heard reference to this case on the tables, so what does muzzling her on the table achieve?
ps, i am taking the mods word that she indeed created multiple accounts to back her story up.
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ynot12
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 20:16
CMToxy had already stood down as CM a couple of weeks ago and now plays on the tables as intoxica...how then is withdrawing her CM status now relevant??
Clearly deception has been a tactic employed by toxy (via the forum only) to add weight to her position regarding woosh and a forum ban seems an appropriate recourse for the offence.
I, like drbhob have spent a lot of time with toxy on the tables and can't understand why her muzzle is extended beyond the forum only, as she has done nothing wrong at the tables...
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WhistleBlower
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 21:19
i dont believe any moderator is going to comment on the same question that everyone keeps asking and to be fair, they dont need to because it does say in the initial post that, the moderators, as a team, made this decision. it has also been actioned by the site owner, emil.
as mentioned, there is more to it than meets the eye.
also, only daniella has made a post (who i believe is a mod) she has nicely answered the (same question) everybody keeps asking, one reason as to why and the solution to the problem.
i have also tried to put it into perspective in more than one post. daniella's post seems to confirm (to me) that i could possibly be on the right lines here.
read, and re-read, then drop the question as to why she has been muzzled at the tables.
OG
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WhistleBlower
Member
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 21:23
oh before we go on i in no way shape or form am using the post by a mod (daniella) to suggest to all of you that what you read from my posts makes me right (thats for my reference only) and theyre not meant to be rudimentary to anyone. thanks.
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MMxx
Member
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2008 00:50
That last thing is very fair from you WhistleBlower... you clearly know some of the fallacies of science and I respect you deeply for that.
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