Dear fellow travelers and poker players,

Bat's stats will be history soon, bingo play is rampant, people are leaving, the site has lost its meaning, unknown entities seen at the high stakes tourneys, I lost my virginity..oh...that was a while back.....

Right huh?

What is all this fuss about? - I mean all the above has been our daily bread as long as I have been on this site - except that the BJ tables were added, I think, on the 13th of January in the year of the lord 2010. Does that date signify that we all lost our ability to play poker? - I think not. To speak frankly now. The leader-board has been blamed for bingo play forever... and now it has lost its purity? I do not mean to be an arrogant ass here, but people please, this has an utter bulls**t air about it -- and some wicked witch of the netherworld has come and descended upon us to make us loose simple perspective on this whole business.

Let me be very clear -- I have a very competitive nature, just as many of you have as well. We have been having the LB as sort of measuring rod to see how our skills compare. Except that some of us have had a lot longer time to accumulate them silly chips....and hence are by the grace of god...or time..or whatever -- found the way to the said LB. Now there is another game added to the site, that makes it possible to accumulate chips differently. The LB is thus having a shake up and new folks are coming into it....fast. The end is near.....

For the record. I played exactly 3 days on the BJ table...while waiting to join DM tourneys. I made a hell of a lot of chips... about a half of my gains in the past days was made there. The rest I made by hitting my famous good run in DM. (Thank you all...;-) ).

Now, I do not feel as a lesser poker player for that....and yes, some part of me feels that the mixing of chips from two different games is ...uhh...counter-productive and certainly makes the LB a different animal. Yet the other side of the story is that now people that are new to this site do not need to play the so despised 'bingo' for weeks and months before they, too, can play a round of real poker in the DM, GM...or which ever tourney they choose. So, who the hell am I to tell them from my high chip account....tough luck sucker...??

My conclusion then is as this: Bat stopping? - Too bad, thank you Bat, was nice. People leaving? - See you, take care. Bingo rampant? -- Really? All of us moaning about bingo plays it when needed, so please.... New people in the tourneys? -- Say: 'hello!' and suck it up and get over it. As to my loss of virginity...that's for another time...when I remember how it happened.

Final point, my comments are not that of a moderator, but that of a fellow player, so do not get into a fit that this is the official line. I can assure you it is not.

Lovingly as always

Jyri/FF

P.S.: I might keep on editing this as I think of stuff I forgot to say, but here is the draft version of my sentiments.

1st addition: I am vehemently opposed to the link to real cash games regarding the BJ. It goes against the spirit of the site. i forgot that one.

2nd addition: none of the tourney results are tainted by BJ scores, but it might have secondary effects qua style and brutality of play. Only the LB order is affected.

Well said finny :-)

But Finn , the ppl who played the bingo to get the buy ins for the big ones, will now get it on BJ and then play the bingo game at DM and GM....The bigger buy inss prevented it to let them play.... So if they love bingo that much , why not added 2 like 10 or 8 k tables just for them??
We all had to play a lot of games to win the chips for buy in?? So whats wrong with that?

If Batstats will stop, the competative players, and that are lots of them, will miss out....
Bat did a awfull lot of work, making that spy, for all of us to enjoy and I realy respect hinm for that...
His work is now for nothing cause it will be wortless now.. I think thats a waste of work, time and fun...
Actualy I think its a loss for the forum knowing the big amounts of views of batstats.

For me its strange a site called freepokerroom includes a BJ table where you can win lots and lots of chips in few days...

Would I ever leave the site cause of this??? No ofcourse not, its the pokercommunity I love and the friendships here. We dont play the big sites cause of the inpersonal way they are managed, but logical on such big sites. here we are among friends and have great fun and laughs....But still the BJ tables are not a good ad to this site in my view...

Ron

Bravo! You have echoed my sentiments to a T.......but, WHAT?? your not a virgin??

I might have lied hun...;-))

How could he be: he was para in the Legion Etrangere.

Well said Finn,,, i agree with what you said and i can also see some of the points that Ron has raised especially when it comes to the work Bat has done, but the thing that i havent seen adressed is they are not giving chips away in the blackjack rooms. When you get on a table everyone does not have great heaping stacks of chips that the dealer keeps throwing at them,, There are some skilled players that are taking advantage of there knowledge of the the game and the thing we all depend on luck. I thought that with more people having more chips everyone could play the tourneys they want with the people they like to play with, if there is a table in fpr that doesent have bingo players i want to know which one it is .On dm there are some well known bingo players who will play that way no matter what the buyin, its there style of play and it works for them as much as it drives me crazy. Thats what i love about this site , so many different people from all over the world comming together to do something they all like to do, and along the way meeting and learning things about them all.. I have noticed the bj tables arent that full anymore so maybe the new and the luck is wearing off,,,, and Bat i wish there was a way you could continue the stats because they are very helpfull, i used them to help my game ,,,anyway just wanted to say how i felt,,,,,,,,,,good luck everyone ||||:-} Buddy

Well done finn, I've been wondering over the last week what all the fuss is about. I have a million chips, and I got them playing tourneys, and not the high dollar ones, while i was proud to have those chips, i would easily give them away to someone who was struggling,
after all, they are free, you can easily get more, right? and i agree with Chef, that the bingo players are everywhere even at dm and gm, as i have witnessed first hand, if you believe that only the better players play the high dollar tournaments, well go ahead and believe that, but i think there are great players in all levels of tourney, it just happens to depend on what one you play, as for the black jack tables, seriously, if you dont like them,
then don't play them, and the leaderboard now just has some new names on it. The big
casualty is of course, Bats stats, thats what we all should be upset about, not how many chips the next person won on black jack

This is advertised as a poker site, FACT. Where is there the facility for newbees to learn how to play poker as it is played in the real world????, all in lose, refresh, all in lose, refresh, all in lose, refresh, all in lose, and so on and so on gets monotinous, FACT.
I have personally recommended this site to friends who I play poker with for cash, to my dismay they have dismissed it as a nonsense, and to be honest they are right.
Bingo play is not reflective of how the game should be played and only encourages further bingo play. Two wrongs do not make a right, if somethings worth doing it is worth doing right.
Spent more time in the forum than at the tables of late.
One final question, what are the only tables that are continually full since the benevolent bj bots were introduced????

disclaimer;the above is my views as a disillusioned numpty and is not intended to cause offence, i have my ideas about poker others have theirs.
without prejudice. jamie

PS: I concur jd chip stack means nothing :0( Hic.

I wrote this somewhere else on the forum....but I'm going to add it here, for the sake of discussion.

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Hooked enough to go play for real?
That could very well be the problem, as Hovis and Tony have mentioned.

There is a science and then a coin toss when it comes to Black Jack. Poker, of course...has an art to it, as well as a science.

Of course, I'm also worried about people who sit there, call with J.5os, hit their hand then proceed to say they are going to a Casino to play real poker after winning millions here. Think about the millions of points on the Leader Board. Same with playing allin pre-flop on Omaha. This is *never* done in real life. We also play our own very made up version of Omaha, but that doesn't seem to bother a soul here. It's not a real game, yet we play it in the league.

But the point tallies here.....if that were even remotely the case, there would be thousands upon thousands in the Poker circuit with million dollar houses and yachts.

There is not.

It's the same case, in a sense with Black Jack....as long as the game is not "rigged."

i agree jd. the leader board means nothing but losing bat's stats for the tourneys will be a shame. Personally, i'm not interested in bj tables but if that's what floats your boat...

Totally agree with u finn.
I'm sure Bat will come up with something to put things right statistically-wise.
We're counting on you Bat so e1 will be happy.

Like a Great Purge ?

ffs hes not a wizard.

No, Bat is not a wizard. He is the Grand Master of Universal Wizardry.... the Force resides with him and emanates out of him. Bat was there before time, space and continuum void existed. He is alpha and omega.

Lie by omission

I'll be there after too.

My bad Bat.... science and knowledge not my strong suit.... come to think of it...nothing really is.

Blessed are the ignorant for they shall inherit the earth.

who gives a rats arse


NOT ME

played yesterday and today

won 1.5 mill

DM 50k all-ins and bingo can`t wait

FEAR THE GIT EARS

GITS

JUST BEEN CHANGED
OH WELL

THX 4 THE 2 DAYS

Thanks thats a lot better, Btw bigears thats the kinda stuff that ruins the site. Comments like that just proof our case.

indeedy me

Fool,

I think earsy meant it quite ironically. If otherwise, I stand corrected.

Yes I see that now that I know what the world indeedy means lol.

killin me
in a good way :)

I thought people complaining about the blackjack tables was a whole lot of drama about nothing.

after playing the DM last night it was against non regular players and they all kept going all in. I was not happy. The only reason i played that table was because in myopininon all the better players played with these crap bingo players no joining this table it has taking the enjoyment of playing that table

I dunno. I'm still playing as tight as a frogs bottom.....no matter where I play.
Nothing I can do about that.....lol.

=)

no comment...no, seriously...no sophomoric (or even fresmanoric) remark from me

nice try though ;p

Emil just told me that he discovered yesterday a parameter controlling
how frequently the dealer should bust at blackjack.

The initial setting was 40, and it is now set to 10.
When this parameter is closer to zero, the shuffle is more random and less rigged.

I find incredible that a sofware offers to rig decks in his hidden parameters
(with rigged by default, it seems)

I'm now asking him if such parameters exist for poker table,
which could explain the abnormalities everyone seems to notice
in the shuffle and deal procedure since site migration.

i wish to complain most strongly about the `proper` poker players on this site

peeps who think it is ok to ruin the reputation of big gits like me

i confess that i have played cards for money on 1 occasion and lost me house
-- the reason i now live in a cave

ears behave...bet wisely ears....its not bigo......you git etc---all have been said to me

i have now told me mum and any more of this and she`ll smack you

you have been fairly warned


these jonny and jills come lately should all play on tbl 1 and leave very sad cases such as me to the rest of the site


any more nasty things said about me and i will leave and go and play at lossyourdoshusadgit.co.mars


true indeed i say