I`m a firm believer of this especially in todays society given the advances of forensics and DNA.
Just curious as to what some of you guys think.

I'm not,
I and certainly would even more against in a country where prosecutors are elected
and hence more inclined to satisfy public wrath in order to get re-elected...

Funny u should make this thread just happened to be speaking about this with a few people tonight. I think it should be brought back because some people just don't deserve to live. Considering some murderers and rapist have more rights and luxury than some average joes. Problem is there's been to many people innocently killed by capital punishment.

There's a few I could think of that deserve this punishment but no one more so than Ian Huntley what a very very sick man.

I am against the death policy. I believe its morally wrong to kill someone. The death penality is basically killing an unarmed person, they are defenseless. Even worse we have a jury of our peers to decide if someone lives and dies, that just sounds completly wrong. Their are millions of regious people in the world who disagree with the advances on science, such as stem cells, cloning, etc. They say all of these things are playing god, but in my opinion the death penality is the ultimate symbol of playing god. Society has gotten a lot more violent, but If you look in the past, you will see war, decit, and jealousy has been part of the world since the beginning of time. Hence what has anybody got to gain from the killing of anyone, except self self gratification that there is one less criminal in the world. The fact is as one leaves the world thousands more are ready to take their place.

The search for the girls was one of the most highly publicised missing person searches in British history and Huntley even appeared on Sky News and the BBC's Look East regional news programme speaking of the shock of the local community. Their bodies were found near the perimeter fence of RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, on 17 August 2002. Just twelve hours later, their clothing was discovered in the grounds of Soham Village College and Huntley was arrested. The girls had been missing for 13 days when their bodies were found, with police stating that both corpses were "severely decomposed and partially skeletonised" - Huntley had set them alight in a bid to destroy the forensic evidence.

Don't it just make u feel sick the fact he's on the news telling the world what shock everyone is in and how sad it is. When he knows all along what happened.

In my eyes this man does not deserve to live to make it worse my tax pays for his food clothing and home. The recon the average prisioner cost around £15000 a year to keep in jail.

At one time i was all for it, but as i have gotten older there have just been to many people put to death because of politics,lack of defence and or intelligence . About every night on television there are storys of people in prison for years that were found to be innocent.Here in the states you can be convicted of murder without a witness, a body, a weapon or a motive all it takes is an over zealous prosecutor and a good story to tell the jury.The same people that would sentence someone to death are the same people that think reality television is reality.

foolme, I'm impressed.

So it's alright for us humans to kill what ever we like but if we kill another human then we are playing god?

Also a man sick enough to kill to little girls should have the right to stay alive.

Oh one more thing how many lives do u think religion has took when after all most wars are religious. Doesn't sound right to me.

I'm atheist and anticlerical,
and I find his foolme's argument even stronger as such:
it just put conservative religious right in front of its internal contradictions.

i agree, child rapist and killers should not be punished by death. They should be sent to prison where they eat good food paid by the tax payer's whom ironically dont want to feed them, they should also be entertained at our expense all because god would like that. Humanity is failing, end of story

Bat and fool a silly question for u both.

If some one came into your house raped and murdered your wife and kids. U would happily pay taxes for this person to live a life of luxury in prison rather than playing god and having him killed?

Yeah.

Case 1a: You're searching your keys in the dark in some wood.
Suddenly, your hand seize something strange, and you finally sees
it's the corpse of a child. Now, you're in a weird position, because your fingerprints are all over the body.
You'll then be surprised to secretly hope with horror that the child
was raped and that the semens is in the body,
because it's the best way for you to avoid death penalty.

Case 2b: Same as above, but you have the wrong skin color,
or has a light mental handicap, or already did time for some offense.

Case 2a: You're arrested in your car in an isolated area by night by a cop.
He's corrupted and tries to blackmail you for money. A fight follows
and his own gun shoot him? Now, you're a cop killer, good luck with that?

Case 2b: You're in a peaceful demonstration, but the power in place
wants to discredit the whole thing and asks the police force to make the
demo degenarate into something violent and showing demonstrators as
property destroyers. Some cops in civil attire loot some shops, and
the cops in uniform chase the demonstrators. In the fight, you kill a cop in self defense.
Good luck with this one.

Case 3b: You're a prostitute. The police act like second pimps:
they racket you and sometimes rape you. One night, it degenerates
and you kill a cop in self defence.
Good luck with this one too...

Case 4: You're in a bank or a mini-market
Robbers come for hold-up and it turns bad: they kill a cashier.
Now they face DP if any witness stay alive.
gl...


I'm against DP first of all for my own protection.

ide rather gut the sick twisted person my self

Know what you saying bat and I do feel for all those innocent people killed by capital punishment.

But for some one to kill a child and it's 100% he/she done it. in my eyes he/she doesn't deserve to live.

smoggy25
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ide rather gut the sick twisted person my self


Makes 2 of us m8

First, if I choose vengeance, I do it myself,
I do not let justice system do revenge for me.

Second, if I choose justice, yeah, I pay taxes so justice is applied.

Prison time is not luxury, especially for child murderers and rapists.
Even criminals have a scale of value, and the discussed category are considered as the lowest life by inmates themselves.
And you really have a hard time in jail when you have the lowest rank among inmates

These people are kept far away from the other prisoners in most cases bat.
Which probally cost us alot more in taxes and in some cases are but on 24/7 watch by the prison gaurds so others or even themselves can't bring harm to them.

I am against capital punishment for all the reasons bat, foolme, and chef mentioned. In my younger days I was for the death penalty, but as I've thought more about it and learned more about it I have completely changed my mind and feelings about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42f5BP9zjpg

I was just watching Pete's videos and this one seemed appropriate in this thread.

Taxes seem a central point for you.
The same kind of arguments lead to the trend of private prisons
where State disengages itself from its responsibilities for a rent.

Well, I do not grant the State the right to kill me,
and I do not grant it the right to sell me to a private corporation either.
And tax money certainly won't come into the equation.

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It's the ultimate in hypocrisy to kill someone as a punishment for committing murder. It's like hitting your child to teach them that violence is wrong. go figure.

Life in prison is the clear alternative to capital punishment...provided that life actually means for the rest of the offenders life.

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the outcome would be prolly the same as for the return of the legitimate use of torture for questioning in Police Stations.

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The justice system stinks in the uk, look at john venables and robert thompson who killed jamie bulger they were out in matter of years and given new identity at tax payers expense for 1 off em to end up back in jail on child porn charges! Where does justice come with that does prison do them good? Does it hell once a killer always a killer once a pedo always a pedo locking some ppl up will neva change them when they are given luxury if sent to jail should be stuck in a 8ft by 8ft cell on tv no nothing do the crime do the time not be givin all mod con's.

Crime for Crime
~Ani DiFranco


The big day has come
The bell is sounding
I run my hands through my hair one last time
Outside the prison walls
The town is gathering
People are trading crime for crime

Everyone needs to see the prisoner
They need to make it even easier
They see me as a symbol, and not a human being
That way they can kill me
Say it's not murder, it's a metaphor
We are killing off our own failure
And starting clean

Standing in the gallows
Everyone turned my way
I hear a voice ask me
If I've got any last words to say
And I'm looking out over the field of familiar eyes
Somewhere in a woman's arms a baby cries

I think guilt and innocence
They are a matter of degree
What might be justice to you
Might not be justice to me
I went to far, I'm sorry
I guess now I'm going home

So let any amongst you cast the first stone
Now we've got all these complicated machines
So no one person ever has to have blood on their hands
We've got complex organizations
And if everyone just does their job
No one person has to understand

You might be the wrong colour
You might be too poor
Justice isn't something just anyone can afford
You might not pull the trigger
You might be out in the car
And you might get a lethal injection
'cause we take a metaphor that far

The big day has come
The bell is sounding
I run my hands through my hair one last time
Outside the prison walls
The town has gathered

People are trading crime for crime
People are trading crime for crime
People are still trading crime for crime

Done.
Abolition was one of the main point of Mitterrand's program when he was elected in 1981.
(and Presidential elections in France are done by universal direct suffrage)

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