ynot12
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#23 - Posted: 5 Aug 2010 20:45
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It's the ultimate in hypocrisy to kill someone as a punishment for committing murder. It's like hitting your child to teach them that violence is wrong. go figure.


Sorry but I can't see how your kid hitting another kid is the same as a man raping and murdering a child.

And anyhow if you grounded your kid would he never hit another kid?

The subject is a very contentious issue, I dont usually express my opinion on such a serious matter. I respect everyones views and right to their opinion.

The longest prison sentence in Norway is 20 years.
Norway has one of the lowest murder rate in the World -per capita.

In 1999, when America asked for a prisoner to be extradited from Noway, the Norwegian Supreme Court declared that most U.S prisons do not meet the minimum humanitarian standards

There is no capital punishment in Norway.

If you are referring to humans killing animals then, you have to look at mother nature for that aspect. Its the cycle of life, we need to eat to survive just as every aniaml does. My point is, how many species of animals to you see kill its own kind? Not that many I know of. We humans have the ability to understand right from wrong on a much bigger scale, aniamls go on instinct to survive. We choice to kill each other even though we have the option not to.


Revenge is never justice in my eyes. Yes what the man did was horrible and disgusting. An eye for an eye always leave one enemy wanting to get back. Its never ending.


I am not sure its religion in genere that has taken countless lifes but the people who try to enforce religion on them, thats were the problem comes in. One wrong does not make another right though, so just because relgion has caused death to say, does not make it right for others to decide if someone lives or dies.

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They apparently do not think that way...so it's on a highly different scale.
However, I think you might have missed my point?

Lowest crime rate, and this is with no death penalty to scare people out of crime.

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I quoteing some from blade, just scroll up and reread. If you still dont understand just say which part, a big whatTTTTTTTTT does not explain anything.

Oh, I'm not sure that analogy is truly fair to make in such a general sweep.

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Oh, Jamie not quoting is a trite confusing...

An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind.
~Mahatma Gandhi

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Oh, if you only knew...you wouldn't dream of saying that to me.
You should never judge a pacifist by thinking they've never been victimized.

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ETA:
I am truly sorry about your brother.

mhhh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate#List

1 Lithuania (30.7 per 100,000)
4 Japan (24.4 per 100,000)
18 France (17 per 100,000)
39 Norway (11.4 per 100,000)
41 United States (11.1 per 100,000)

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Okay...you are literally equating the high suicide rate by the lack of a death penalty, as well as low prison sentences; in Norway?

A toof for a toof, and foon ve whole world eatf hif foup wiv a ftraw
~Perfonal annotafion.

It depends what you mean by rather then. Well If I had a wife and kid and if I am in the house at the time he is there, yes I would defend them by an means necessary. On the other hand if you mean stopping him permanently, for example a repeat offender who is subject to commit a crime again. I could not be on the jury and kill someone on what they might do.

Pastor Rick Rogers

Key Verse: Genesis 9:6

I. THE BIBLICAL COMMANDS ADVOCATING CAPITAL PUNISHMENT

A.    In the Old Testament (not an exhaustive listing)

1.  Genesis 9:5-6 introduces capital punishment by the LORD God. Note

a.  The execution of the death penalty, 9:6a
b.  The explanation of the death penalty, 9:6b

Note that the life of man is to be protected, whether from animals (9:5a) or other men (9:5b). Life is a direct from God (2:7-9), was divinely imparted (2:7), and divinely maintained (2:9). The importance of the life of man, made in Gods image, emphasizes the importance of protecting that life! Some would argue that capital punishment for a murderer "cheapens" human dignity. In reality, it accentuates human dignity! When one person murders another, he is murdering one made in Gods image. Some would argue this is a form of "Deicide" along with "homicide." Life is so valuable, that if you dare break the command of God regarding the sanctity of life, your own life would be required. This is the essence of Gen. 9:6.

2.  Exodus 21:12-14 commands capital punishment for premeditated murder.

3.  Exodus 21:22-23 commands capital punishment for harming a pregnant woman or her unborn baby.

Note that there are other instances that God commanded capital punishment in the Scriptures, such as kidnapping (Exo. 21:16), adultery (Lev. 20:10), cursing father or mother (Lev. 21:17), offering human sacrifices (Lev. 20:2), rape (Deut. 22:23-27), and even rebellion in a son (Deut. 21:18-21) among many other examples. We would argue today that murder seems to be the crime which would demand capital punishment, and perhaps even in the Old Testament. Kaiser states, "Only for the first crime, premeditated murder, was there a ransom or a substitute payment unacceptable (Num. 35:31) but presumably all other capital crimes could be committed as the judges determined. The death penalty marks the seriousness of these errors."1 Though this may be arguable, there has been no documentation that any rebellious son was stoned in the ancient writings that have been found. David was not put to death for adultery (2 Sam. 11:4, though he certainly should have been for murder!), nor was Solomon for worshipping Molech, which likely included child sacrifices (Lev. 20:2, 1 Kings 11:7). Thus I would at least argue that not all of the capital crimes listed demanded death. The crime of "murder," the Heb. radzah, however, had no exceptions.

B.    In the New Testament

1.  Romans 13:3-5, which defines the purposes of government

a.  to protect the good,
b.  to punish evil-doers, v. 4 The bearing of the sword seems to validate that capital punishment was still the command. Though there are some that would argue that the sword is merely a symbol of authority, there is no scriptural warrant for that interpretation. He bears the sword for a purpose!

2.  Acts 25:10-11 teaches that:

a.  some crimes are worthy of death, v. 11
b.  the government has the right to issue the punishment, v. 10
c.  the guilty have no right to protest the death penalty, 11

3.  John 19:11, Jesus Christ illustrates that:

a.  He did not oppose capital punishment in His case
b.  He did not oppose capital punishment in His teaching
c.    He never said that the government has no right to exercise capital punishment

From what I've been reading over the last few hours GOD says we should have capital punishment

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I know too well your position about this.
http://www.thefreepokerroom.com/forum/4_4493_24.html#msg180294

foolme
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#50 - Posted: 5 Aug 2010 21:55
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blade7:
Bat and fool a silly question for u both.

If some one came into your house raped and murdered your wife and kids. U would happily pay taxes for this person to live a life of luxury in prison rather than playing god and having him killed?

It depends what you mean by rather then. Well If I had a wife and kid and if I am in the house at the time he is there, yes I would defend them by an means necessary. On the other hand if you mean stopping him permanently, for example a repeat offender who is subject to commit a crime again. I could not be on the jury and kill someone on


Was abit of a silly question and what I meant was if someone had killed your wife and child. Would you want them sent to prison or would you prefer capital punishment?

Happy not to be a christian...

Prison, in case I was unclear.

Also am I wrong to belive that god demands capital punisment?

Dam thread keep me up all night got to leave for the airport in 4 hours great night sleep I'm getting lol.

batankyu2
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#55 - Posted: 5 Aug 2010 22:01
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blade7:
From what I've been reading over the last few hours GOD says we should have capital punishment

Happy not to be a christian...


Lol bat

Well, apparently...you can get stoned for all sorts of things...like mouthing off to your Mum.

Leviticus, Chapter 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

And best not to be gay, either..

Leviticus, Chapter 20:13
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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But also...

Rom. 12:14, 17, 19
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse... Repay no one evil for evil... do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I Will repay," says the Lord.

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It might depend upon who wrote certain parts, I suppose.

I understand your point blade, but sometimes you have to put aside religion and come up with your opinion and your own morals. My moral on this subject is the death penailyt is wrong. I do not want go deep into religion, but there is a lot from the bible in my opinion, that has been told so many times and rewritten its hard to belelive whats original and whats 21st century.