"an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".....or....."turn the other cheek". Oh god! I'm so confused. There's only one thing for me now, suicide.

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Subjects that people should never get into arguement about. (Drunk or sober)
Religion, Sport and Politics.

Seems this thread has 2 of theml. All we need now is for someone to open up about Man U and we will have the trifecta. lol

Fair point but when was the last execution in this country? Ruth Ellis July 1955

That was way back with no technology,look at todays resources. The trouble is criminals know it is an easy life to do wrong because if they do the crime they know they will be looked after.

And even in the very lastest case,Ian Huntley (Soham murderer) sueing the authorities for their wrong doing. My view is bring back capital punishment ( leathal injection would be fine.)

Life is a gift, given by god or nature it doesnt matter. The worst thing you can do to a man/woman is to take there life before there time, everyone deserve's a second chance in life, we are all equal. my question is this.....when does this not apply to serial offender's(by serial offenders i mean murderer's and rapist's who despite having served a sentance for there crime, continue to fill the world with hate, fear and vulgar crimes?

To say the death penalty is inhumane and then try to justify 23 hours locked up in a prison for life surrounded by crimes in which there in prison for is a contradiction. i'm not saying i dont agree with the prison system, i'm just sure people who are serving life imprisonment would prefer the death penalty. take a person's freedom and purpose in life, your as good as killing him...just slowly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgULq1yCz70

Some very pertinent points on both sides of the debate, I would like to apologise to you good folks for foisting my personal views on you, another example of alcohol and debate not being good bedfellows, I really should know better.

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Interesting reading some of you guys opinions...
What I was trying to say was though,if a person has commited a crime and its 100% not 99.99999% but 100% proof that they are guilty for taking someone elses life as in the case of "Ian Huntley" or "Roy Whiting" any many more then surely they deserve to die.
Also,if and its a huge if,Capital Punishment was to be brought back do you not think it would make some of these sick twisted individuals that commit these heinous crimes to think again?
I do...
Also,do any of us think that there are too many do-gooders in society these days,i.e human rights people?
I do...
This is my opinion anyway and I respect everybody elses.
Have fun and good luck :)

The problem with the 100% thing is what if after he killed the little girls, then the father of one of the girls shots and kills him.In the eyes of the law they are both murderers should the father be put to death?If you kill all who kill then you will have an execution at least every day if not two or three. Now you have a grey area and as long as you have that circumstance there,s a good chance you will be killing someone who does not deserve to die.

Forget the father killing the murderer,all I`m on about is how (in my opinion) the murderer should pay for his crimes,I`m not talking about people taking the law into their own hands I`m merely making a suggestion of what I think should happen to the criminal. I see what your saying though friend.
With regards to the "Ian Huntley" case,I read a book that one of the poor girls fathers had written (Kevin Well`s-Holly`s dad) regarding the case. If you enjoy reading that sort of thing,I suggest you read it and then tell me if you think Ian Huntley should be kept in prison or executed.
Peace.

Heres why men should not have the power to kill other men by law,, we have a case thats been going on here about a young women who was found dead in the bathtub by her husband.The state says he drowned her although they have no evidence,no motive no witness,s ,there has been two trials ,both ending in hung jury,s.I just clicked on the news and the judge ruled they are going to try him again,,,so they will keep trying him till they get a guilty verdict.The prosecutor is running for the senate on a platform of hard on crime, this young mans family is now about out of money from paying for the first two trials.The state is saying now they have a jail house informant that said this guy told him he killed his wife.If it wasnt so serious it would be funny.

I thought that foolme surpassed himself. A very controvertial issue passed back to our maker.
We will always have debate on this subject and it will never end. I was open minded, but after fools quote, I agree with him.

No worries, Jamie.
Hope the hang over isn't too severe.

=)

True Dani, but Norway, like the other Scandinavian countries and Finland, do have life time incarcerations with the most twisted creatures..... the sentence is then 20 years and until the medical establishment tells the court that the person is rehabilitated for re-entry. Some never will....

Although I personally think that some persons are beyond second chances --and just to put a bullet in the head would be cheaper, easier and most of all safer, I still do oppose capital punishment for its implications to our human ideals. The points have been raised by some of you already. In short: we must be better than those we lock up. Always.

I still do oppose capital punishment for its implications to our human ideals.

What are the implications then Finn m8?

I'll keep this short, if I can...;-)


If we allow life to be taken in any other situation except when doing so in self-defense we can argue that in that moment we subscribe to the way of thinking that Anarchists would be contended with. The law of the strongest would prevail instead of the laws of reason or wisdom. All this without going into the arguments of morality and ethics or benevolent religion (others are not so forgiving).

I think the simplest logic prescribes: do not take what you cannot beget. So, until we are all like Jesus who can re-raise the dead....we should avoid temptation....

Life is a gift, given by god or nature it doesnt matter. The worst thing you can do to a man/woman is to take there life before there time, everyone deserve's a second chance in life, we are all equal. my question is this.....when does this not apply to serial offender's(by serial offenders i mean murderer's and rapist's who despite having served a sentance for there crime, continue to fill the world with hate, fear and vulgar crimes?


I would be interested to hear people's views on the above, especially those who appose the death penalty. ill expand..... basically, how many disgusting crimes are you allowed to commit before people start focussing there sympathy for the victum?


Also what are your views on locking somebody up for 23 hours a day in a 7ft by 7ft room?

It's bad, the whole thing is bad...we can all agree upon that.
Serial killers are on the most part, psychopaths -and also said to be incurable.
They are sick individuals, also a bane upon society.

I'm just not sure it's a good idea to put blood on our hands, just as they put blood on theirs.

Ethically speaking...to take a life....is to take a life, no matter who they are.

What is difficult to understand, is not allowing a person who cannot live within our society to decide their own fate. However, many people would rather live in a small cell, away from others -in lieu of dying altogether.

I suppose no matter who you are; the chance for personal enlightenment -should never be taken by us decidedly sane people....who must (sadly and forcefully) make choices for the deranged.

I personally believe that they should not be given a second chance if they are truely guilty of their crime. Especially somone who takes someones life in cold blood. Unfourntely unlike superman we dont have a key to open up the Phantom Zone. What I mean is if every criminal would severe the rest of their life in jail then we would have no room to put them. We hear all the time about criminals getting out earlier than they should, because there is no space for them. Recent example in the USA, not like anyone cares but lindsay lohan was suppose to spend 3 months in jail for drugs and instead she only spent like 1 week in jail, becasue they were making room for others.

Daniella

thanyou for your response hun and although i personally believe in the death penalty i can understand your views :-) ( and slightly agree with a few)

Do I beleive in the Death penalty. Honestly, I do not know. There are times when I have thought that, yes, this person deserves to die.

1 case in particular comes to mind. 1 Martin Bryant went on a shooting spree in Port Arthur, a historical penal colony in Tasmania. He shot and killed 35 innocent people, including 2 little girls hiding behind a tree with their mother and wounded another 21. He was caught and sentenced to multiple life sentences with no hope of ever being released.

Another case involved a young man who was living with the knowledge that his father was sexually abusing young kids. He came home from work 1 day, went into the kitchen, got a knife out of the draw and killed his father. I can only guess that he could no longer live with that knowledge. (yes, he should have gone to the police, not taken the law into his own hands.) He was given 5 years for his crime. Even the judge had sympathy for him.

So we have 2 cases of premeditated murder. Should 1 or both have recieved the Death penalty? (which we do not have here in Aust) Were thay insane at the time of their crimes? Do we execute someone who snaps 1 day and kills 35 or even 1? Who knows.
It is a question that will be debated from now till the end of time with differing opinions.

All I can say with some degree of certainty is that I could never ever "execute" someone.
Could I kill someone in defence of my home and family? I truly hope that I never have to find out.

Even a serial killer is of some use alive in jail.

If he's dead, then,
when you discover some old bodies buried,
you're left to guess if they are linked to this serial killer
or if they are the deed of another yet uncaught killer,
or another executed killer.

If he was the perpetrator, then,
It's also a deny of justice for these latter victims
because he won't be trialed for these murder.

Therefore, the families will be denied the right
to put a name on the murderer of these latter victims.

Hence justice was stolen to them in order to give justice to others.

Another case of deny of justice is the case of Saddam Hussein.
He was condemned to be hanged in 2006 for the 1982 Dujail massacre
(small chiite town of 10,000 inhabitants, 1500 people tortured and 148 executed people at least)

His other deeds are therefore left unjudged.
One can wonder if some people had any interest that he was quickly executed
before any fact come to public light with further judgements...

lol

I believe in the death penalty only for the 1TrueMaster ! LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
HANG THE GIT !

You should live in Oz snakee, you are a protected species here and as such, it is against the law to kill you........lmao

Google Victor Tate.......this is probably the reason I am truly 100% for Capital Punishment!!

Now this is a guy that was found hours after he murdered, raped and tortured two young boys, wearing one of his victims bloody tennis shoes......

It happened in 1980 .....he is still on Death Row.....filed a lawsuit against the state of KY because his Peanut butter and jelly sandwich was made w/smooth peanut butter and not crunchy.....AND WON!!

My Aunt served as a juror on his trial.....over 6 witness at the bar he was picked up at testified that he was bragging about what he did....they all had knowledge of how the boys were found...etc, and my aunt said when they showed them pics of the boys ......he smirked and laughed ..

Jeffrey Dahmer......should we go there........absolute guilt!!

I would have no problem with life terms only......if prisons were truly prisons....no A/C, no TV ....no basketball play time.....no fun...just hard labor.....if that is cruel, too bad!!

I dunno what's wrong with the Kuwaiti concept of justice: chop stuff off depending on the crime... works for them.. just sayin'

LOL Ang!! I have no problem with that !!!!

Anyone who believes in capital punishment are just hypocrites. If you are so oppose to someone being murdered in cold blood, but is still pro capital punishment then you think one life is more valuble than another. If a serial killer was murdered by someone and the person who did it laugh about the photos and smiled doing the whole time in court would you still feel so strongly?

I used to be for capital punishment but in light of so many being freed after many years wrongly imprisoned I feel differently now.

Earlier in the thread Blade asked Bat how he would feel if "someone came into his home and killed his wife and children" and my response, if it were me, is that the person wouldn't have to worry about facing capital punishment because that person would never see the inside of a courtroom I assure you..... I mean why waste taxpayers good money?