Me and many people I know have lost real money in the debacle...and I have seen an increase in friends and casual acquaintances who mostly played at gaming sites, playing more in the Casinos as a direct result.

As for tourists flocking here more. It's hard to say as summer is actually the most quiet time for the poker rooms in Vegas.

Sorry to hear that I hope you and your friends get your money back soon.

Hi:

Its 2:23 EST and the system has hung - I am almost winning the 6k and nothing works except comments. Can anyone help?

.....

You pulled up the wrong thread, man.
I'd direct you where to go, but the powers that be know of the situation and I'm sure they are handling it as best they can.

This site -like poker- takes a lot of patience.


=)

Is there ever a good reason to do as did player A here?

This was halfway through a tourney if that makes any difference.

---Hand #16197535 begins---
player B posts small blind 50
AbsdDabs posts big blind 100
player A calls 100 [to 100]
ChefMarco folds
MEGAN2011 calls 100 [to 100]
SirLosealot1 folds
player B all in 619
AbsdDabs folds
player A all in 520.75
MEGAN2011 folds
* Flop is dealt [7s,Js,3h]
* Turn is dealt [Ts]
* River is dealt [Kh]
player B shows [Ks,Ac] Pair of Kings
player A shows [3s,9s] Jack-High Flush
player A wins 1441.5 from the Main pot with Jack-High Flush
player B wins 48.25 from pot #2
---Hand #16197535 ends---

Thanks!

Simple... Free chips... I know... I know... Very frustrating !!

That's not the question. I asked if there was ever a good reason. Oh, and I was not player B - I folded pre-flop, so not frustrating at all.

For example - in that tourney, player A immediately got a reputation as a loose player. He went all-in a lot, and rarely saw a call. Later in the tourney, he went all in. Everyone before me folded, and I was holding Ace Q off. I called, knowing he might just be tring to soak up the blinds, which had gotten pretty big. He was holding AA. End of story for me.

So the question remains - is there ever a good reason for play like that?

Thanks.

My answer was and still is the simple reason is that people here play for free chips... I never seen anyone go all in preflop with such hand... When there's real money involved you play differently and care more about each one of your chip.

If I actually respond with a diatribe, somebody will call me a redundant person who simply thinks poker should be played the way it's meant to, and that free chips does change the game we all call poker.

We all can decide in Chess, (free game, after all) that pawns can go backwards. It may be fun to play it that way...and it may make you feel all excited -but it's not really Chess anymore now...is it?

Anybody who plays 93 suited doesn't give a rat's ass if he is playing the pawns backwards. Ya think that would happen if they plonked down rent for the tourney?

(But you knew the anwser to this question already=)

Reasons to play like that from the Goat:

1 the player wants/needs to leave, too lazy to sit/out

2 player has history with player B and wants to 'catch him out' with a weaker (awful) hand

3 player has some affinity with 9 3 suited and always calls it

4 player calls in error

5 player just feels 'lucky/cheeky' and calls it


Calling preflop 'massive' all-in raises with a weak hand? there may be some good reason in player A's mind but it doesnt make for profitable poker.

Thanks my 0.02 c anyway ;p

Anyone who plays 9 3 Off wouldn't give a snakee's ass either, LOOOL. Just havin fun with ya Daniella. :))

Love this exemple !!

whats the best lay-down you've ever seen at a table?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvXep7WPzew

that's a great one :)

Thanks for the serious answers. I'm pretty new to poker, and always looking to learn from my losses. Since Player A wound up beating me in that tourney (some smaller losses, and then all-in AA against my AQ, as I mentioned) I thought there might be something I could learn.

Maybe the only thing to learn is to let someone else take out the loose cannon, just stand back and try to avoid the carnage. I've learned that lesson before, but all those chips sure look tempting. I guess if I'm gonna go for it again I need at least a QQ.

GO

Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

Since y'all gave me really good answers last time, I'm coming back for more!

Here are a few hands I was in from a recent DM tourney. Curious to hear if folks think I played right, or how I could have done better.

Hand #1. I'm holding AQ off and have a very large chip stack.

kloista posts small blind 15
SirLosealot1 posts big blind 30
Player #1 raises 60 [to 60]
danno1952 folds
bmd2-6- folds
kloista folds
SirLosealot1 calls 30 [to 60]
* Flop is dealt [Tc,5s,7c]
SirLosealot1 checks
Player #1 bets 222 [to 222]
SirLosealot1 folds
Player #1 wins 357 from the Main pot
SirLosealot1: wd

My take on this hand - couldn't tell if Player #1 was fishing hard - for example maybe he had 98 clubs, or two clubs with Ace high. Or maybe he had a good pocket pair, or even possible he'd already hit a set. Or he could be bluffing - seeing all the low cards on the table, holding an ace, and thinking I probably didn't hit either. But there seemed like too many ways to lose, so I folded.

-----

Hand #2. I'm holding 88 and have a very large chip stack.

SirLosealot1 posts small blind 15
Player #1 posts big blind 30
danno1952 folds
bmd2-6- folds
kloista folds
SirLosealot1 raises 45 [to 60]
Player #1 calls 30 [to 60]
* Flop is dealt [Ad,7s,Ts]
SirLosealot1 bets 30 [to 30]
Player #1 all in 328
SirLosealot1 folds
Player #1 wins 478 from the Main pot
SirLosealot1: wd again

I'm playing against someone who's desperate with a low chip stack, but that doesn't mean they didn't hit Ace or Ten. I could have afforded to lose the 300 chips, but it would have been a huge setback. Maybe it was a mistake to raise that much with a middling pocket pair? Against just one player who was short-stacked, I thought it would work out.

Player #1 wound up losing shortly thereafter going all in with a low pair.

So on Hand #1 and #2 I may not have screwed up. Not 100% sure about that. But on the next hand, I'm pretty sure I played wrong. What do you think?

--------

Hand #3. I am holding JQ off and have a medium-large stack. Certainly bigger than Player #2

SirLosealot1 posts small blind 25
Player #2 posts big blind 50
bmd2-6- folds
kloista folds
SirLosealot1 calls 25 [to 50]
bmd2-6-: had lots of poc pairs in a row
Player #2 checks
* Flop is dealt [Qc,8c,Ah]
SirLosealot1 bets 50 [to 50]
Player #2 calls 50 [to 50]
* Turn is dealt [Qs]
SirLosealot1 bets 50 [to 50]
Player #2 calls 50 [to 50]
* River is dealt [Ac]
SirLosealot1 bets 50 [to 50]
Player #2 raises 100 [to 100]
SirLosealot1 calls 50 [to 100]
Player #2 shows [Td,Ad] Aces Full over Queens
Player #2 wins 500 from the Main pot
SirLosealot1: ouch
bmd2-6-: vnh
kloista: nh
Player #2: ty

So I think I slow-played when I should have bet big after the turn. Hopefully I could have driven him out when I hit trips. Of course if he had called, I would've been screwed. Your thoughts?

Thanks again!

The big Loser

PS - I came in 2nd in that tourney.

Well, I thought I knew the answer, but I really wasn't sure, which is why I asked. You gave a very good answer, thanks for that. And so did zixernine.

GO

I like your play, nothing wrong with your game there.

You are wondering about things because you are out of position. Master that and you really will be a menace on the tables!

Thats my take anyways.

To quote Doyle..."If you had a hand you believed in more than theirs, you would have/should have called." Your own confidence in your hand is the important part -otherwise...you save your chips and wait for your hand to come.


You can observe each hand you play, but in the long run -it's better not to question hands like this for too long -because it happens so often, and no two hands are ever played the same way twice.


I'd bet money that you were never going to get this person off of their hand...especially after the turn. I think you actually saved yourself some chips by leading out. Sometimes, leading out keeps you from losing too much when anything short of an 'allin' was not going to chase them off. And even that, they may have called. They had a pretty strong hand for a free poker site.

Hence the saying "you can only bet what you think your hand is worth"


BTW Dani, still would like know just how tight is a "frog's bottom". :))

....

Well, have you ever seen me play?
That's how tight -tight is...lol.

Since I play tighter than you do, guess I play tighter than a grog's bottom then. lol

If I understand the term "leading out" correctly - you're saying that by betting a small amount and having him call me each round, I saved chips? If I had not led the betting each round, how would I have wound up spending more chips?


Fair enough. If I could not have gotten him off his hand, then what was the right way to play that hand?

GO

Well, the turn gave them two pair...so it's hard to imagine getting them off of their hand.
Now, would you have laid down your trips -which happened when the second queen dropped, correct? You were betting mid pair on the flop -the other person had top pair. If you had checked, they may have bet a lot more to get you off of your hand.

Would you have folded a big bet, or called?

Daniella
Yeah, that makes sense.

Cheers,

The small loser

hello; i want too ask u is it possible too down-load emotions...??

and my compliments for this poker-site i love it...:::)))

Daniella
OK, Dani, here's another one for you:

I had AQ unsuited...

ROOTOO posts small blind 50
Corky12 posts big blind 100
cassiaman folds
Freki folds
SirLosealot1 raises 200 [to 200]
eu000091 calls 200 [to 200]
lawwer folds
ROOTOO folds
Corky12 folds
* Flop is dealt [Kd,4c,Js]
SirLosealot1 checks
eu000091 checks
* Turn is dealt [Ks]
SirLosealot1 bets 100 [to 100]
eu000091 calls 100 [to 100]
* River is dealt [Td]
SirLosealot1 bets 150 [to 150]
eu000091 raises 604.75 [to 604.75]
SirLosealot1 all in 445
eu000091 shows [Jh,Jd] Jacks Full over Kings
eu000091 wins 1940 from the Main pot
eu000091 wins 9.75 from pot #2

Obviously I played this hand wrong. But where exactly?

GO

Daiella. how do i get coins to play? I have to waite?