This issue is ugly I know.

The complaints and reasons for leaving site brings this subject up time and time again.

It can be stopped, but need your ideas. Emil is trailing a bet limit table on table 2 and this may well work, but not all like a bet limit.

My suggestion is that we leave turbo tables as any bet before flop and the rest (excluding tourney) we use a players guide line. This will allow the "all in players" freedom to rule the heavy tables including turbo Omaha and those that prefer a more strategy thought game, a chance to use it without compromise on other tables.

The tables will have to be monitored by moderators and guide bingo players to correct table. If player refuses, then a 3 step warning will ensue with a ban for a refusal to move after this.

There will be times when an all in scenario ensues before a flop and this is acceptable to a certain point. But consistent abuse will have to be warned.

A rough guide is restrict bets to flop and after flop you can go hell for leather, with no restriction.


If you abuse this discussion I will have your comments removed, thanks guys n gals.
How we determine pre flop bet amounts? Common sense, we all know poker, we all know pre flop bingo play, your ideas please.

Too much of a grey area. There must be no bets other than compulsory blinds for the preflop. Because you are giving yourself problems with people justifying themselves to bet heavy with your scenario.

If you put what I suggest as just the blinds preflop then any betting goes after that, because then have control of your hand and you can fold or stay. You then wouldnt need a Mod to monitor the situation.

C.O.Y.C's

I think the hovis scenario would work.
If you have compulsory blinds bets then how can I go all with my AA??
Its not bad to do so cause slow play might hit you right in the teeth.
I do agree that on normal walk in tables some should be turbo and others should be more strategietables.
But I also am afraid its hard to monitor too.
I dont think there should be a stop on preflop all ins on buy in tournements cause there is no rebuy strategie there..
I also think a ban on them (when rules are set) would be the good solution if the bingo player dont listen and not plays on the turbobingotables...

No limit poker is the most popular kind of poker there is. Why should we let bingo players change the way we play the game. How and the world can we just make up new rules for poker, it would mean we would not be playing poker anymore. There is always a way around the rules and new ideas will just be a new goal for bingo players to find a way around them.

i hope this gets enforced... brilliant idea, as you may know i left the site a while back and just recently been coming back on mainly because i rejoined my team, ''BINGO'' is still being played which tbh i expected, it spoils the game totally, i play on free poker for practise for real money games in the real world, and its difficult to practise when you are forced to go all in pre flop fingers crossed.

inandtonic posts big blind 15
BrownTrout: so i moved back to london
PepeLePew: best of luck for the best nickname
QIIX: hi pep gl all
BrownTrout: good luck all
PepeLePew folds
DavidJonsey calls 15 [to 15]
frank1568 folds
Petrov666 folds
gollum folds
BrownTrout all in 800
Galop folds
PumpkinHead all in 800
Petrov666: again pepe? u said that yesterday too
QIIX folds
ginandtonic folds
DavidJonsey folds
* Flop is dealt [7c,9c,Ts]
BrownTrout: bingo
PepeLePew: coz its only fair
* Turn is dealt [Jd]
* River is dealt [2c]
BrownTrout shows [Td,Tc] Three Tens
BrownTrout wins 1635 from the Main pot
BrownTrout: sorry
---Hand #36616302 ends---
---Hand #36618175 begins---
ginandtonic posts small blind 5
PepeLePew posts big blind 15
QIIX: wd
PepeLePew: PumpkinHead had the best nickname too
QIIX: gg
PepeLePew: gg
Galop: Pumpkinhead said it all :)
DavidJonsey folds
frank1568 calls 15 [to 15]
BrownTrout: i should be banned now
Petrov666 folds
gollum calls 15 [to 15]
BrownTrout calls 15 [to 15]
PepeLePew: lol
gollum: hope so
Galop calls 15 [to 15]
QIIX calls 15 [to 15]
ginandtonic calls 10 [to 15]
PepeLePew: lets email the mods before betting and get authorisation
PepeLePew checks
* Flop is dealt [3h,Th,Ts]
ginandtonic checks
BrownTrout: it's the only way
PepeLePew checks
frank1568 bets 50 [to 50]
BrownTrout: the sensible approach
gollum calls 50 [to 50]
BrownTrout calls 50 [to 50]
PepeLePew: then they can play for us
Galop calls 50 [to 50]
ginandtonic: fried trout..
QIIX calls 50 [to 50]
ginandtonic folds
PepeLePew folds




cant be stopped, wont be stopped, precisely down to the muppets that play here. today must be the first time in months that ive played here other than a league game. and i can see why, the site is full of ........ bingo is strife and amusing to many. danm97 has a similar site to this but twenty times better. for all who despise the bingo play his site is much more suitable for you.

Good day all :)


edited myself due to foul language



the muppets part is not directed at the above people more so just many people ive been unlucky enough to play with. the copied chat was referring to the jokes about telling mods before played hands, me thinking most dont care about bingo anyway, anyways ive been informed it was homour which i didnt see.... que sera sera

So where is the bingo in here?? Is it BT with hand 10 10 ?? Dont think so cause he wants to make it real expensive to call cause of big chance on overcards, or pumpkinhead(dont seen his hand so i dont know about his call was a good one.....And yes I know this was the first hand. In my view bingo is all in with any hand.....
If all go to damn his site same would happen there...So I will never change sites for this is the site I love....

Stop it - all of you. You're embarrassing me. Of course you shouldn't start banning people because you don't like their style of play. That's all that really needs to be said. I can't think of much else. It's pretty straight-forward and it's quite a sound argument. Now stop it.

I can think of something else but I'm drunk so it won't be good.

Some other suggestions - perhaps the site should be turned into a money site to better replicate real poker and curtail bingo-style play. I mean it's already halfway there with the links to some dubious blackjack money site. No one seems to mind that; what with being more interested in half baked issues like the purity of the leaderboard, batankthingy's suspect spying lark and being peeved at people going all in so Emil might as well just go the whole hog and sell-out completely while everyone's asleep.

Or - perhaps individual members should email a mod when they want to go all in and await verification. I just went all in twice in a row and was a little fearful that this might get me banned. Perhaps next time I could just email hovis and wait a few weeks for him to get back to me before making my move.

Bingo players can be outplayed if you have patience. If you don't have patience then you're just another type of poor player. Get a grip and stop this talk of moving the goalposts or I'll punch you all. Let's all be zen denizens and that. heh.

See above above and above above above as I feature. I feel sorry for people who aren't me.

The problem with your suggestion johno is that holdem is predominantly a pre flop game.. therefore allowing only blinds bets preflop reduces the skill level significantly and anyone with a decent preflop hand.. say 10's is going to be knackered post flop if any face card flops and there are 10 players still in the hand.. There has to be some sort of raise permitted preflop or everyone will just post the blind and the game turns into bingo post flop.. raise preflop gets rid of mediocre hands such as k 6, q7 etc...except for those loonies who think thats a playable hand all the time and then think they have played well if they flop two pr etc... your only moving the bingo to post flop that way and I would hazard a guess that the best hands preflop will on many occasions be pretty useless post flop...
The tourney tables are not really an issue to me... I play 95% of my poker here on gm and dm because the smaller tourney tables are becoming bingobango heaven... but having said that, the better players onsite always catch the bingo players at some stage of a tourney... and they are usually the people that have won a few chips on the turbo tables and think they can play tourney poker the same way... I enjoy taking their chips and always look for them when they return to the tourney tables:).. plus the allin in on the tourney tables especially is a valuable tool to have in the armoury.. especially if you have a small or mediocre stack and the blinds are rising.... my only WTF moments come in the tourneys when someone allins on the first level preflop with some garbage like J 8 etc, just to pick up a few blinds.. even aces preflop is a stupid allin on tourney tables when small blinds.. 170 raise gets rid of rubbish and still allows player to get away from the hand if they know they are beaten..
I have no gripe with players moving allin on the turbo tables... thats what they are there for... but the no limit tables need some sort of policing if newbies wishing to learn the strategy and art in holdem arent to be left with the idea that allin with a decent pair of pockets is the only way to play... The bingo players havent really a clue sometimes... AA or KK can be played any number of ways depending on how many players are in the hand and whether in position or not... taking your life in your hands allin preflop even with aces.. how many times have we seen them cracked?.. and some whinge about it only because they havent thought of any other way to play them?..
I would suggest maybe the only raises permitted on non tourney tables(excluding turbo and tourney of course) should be 2 1/2 times the blind... and raise the blinds to 25 and 50 on all non turbo tables.. this still allows anyone sitting and playing with a short stack to use their chips wisely and pot commit to show a hand preflop... it wont deter the bingo players completely, but is a compromise for those that wish to see a flop with a half decent hand and are now not getting that option because of the bingobango merchants...

ronvisser

If all go to damn his site same would happen there...


nope, there are rules in place as regards to bingo play

Oke point taken but still i wont leave her anytime to join the parrallel site(with bingorules)...Been there at the very start(with those stupid robots) but after 1 time never again cause its same site but my friends are all here and hope they stay here like I will..

Hey you lot hang on a minute, tell me if i'm wrong, but isn't the game based on 7 cards? How the hell do you expect to play all cards if someone goes allin with 2 /10s, the idea surely is to build you total hand with all the cards then bet accordingly So a table with allins would suit those BINGO players.

AA great pocket but I wouldnt sell them to my granny, put them into a full hand and they would probably be useless.

C.O.Y.C's

All In preflop is not the problem,
whether the hand is good (but fragile if too many hands see flop, hence a strong protection bet is a valid move here)
or the hand is bad (bluff, steal of blinds, valid move too).

The problem is the non respect of this all-in or other signifiant bet or raise
by the totality of the table. That is, the problem comes from the calls
of this bet by 9 players whatever their hands (absence of hand selection by callers
and ignorance of odds).

The Pot Limit table solved this problem for about a year,
because due to the more technical aspects of the PL game wrt NL game,
this table attracted players that know their odds: Pre-Flop max Raise were
respected and game was interesting.

Now PL table have the same problems than NL table that make it boring:
beginners flee the NL allin table and find protection at PL table,
but they are calling stations, and call all max-raises.
Hence, 10 players always see the flop whatever the cost, whatever their hands.

Therefore my new refuge from bingo is TT, GM and DM.
I just hope that the illegal cash machines that are BlackJack tables
won't make the tourney tables buyin so insignificant that bingo will be a valid play there.

Ur right Johno, but 10s easy to get cracked so how often in real game you see a flop??
I will say i wont go all in with 10 10 preflop but make it expensive like bet 120 to call ...
But hey everybody has his own tactics dont they?? If I look at wpt or other games and I do a lot and a lot , 7 cards play is not standard, you often see big bets preflop and then follow up after flop...So I understand ur point, I like to play too but still all got their own tactics on this...

spot on Bat , i cant argue with that lol

1) It is spelled batankyu
2) In more than 4 months, nobody reported a falsified tourney log,
so "suspect" here is completely unwelcome.
For your information, this represents 11,995 complete tourneys
at the time of this post (and 350 uncomplete ones)

Your missing the point of poker johno m8.... the idea is to play your hole cards and possibly forst 3 flop cards, in such a way that even not having the best hand you can make someone with a better hand fold... thats part of the games strategy....if you just allow everyone to see all 7 cards( board and hole cards) you might as well be playing snap or old maid...
The allin has its place in poker and I dont think anyone would disagree with that......
The issue here is that the bingo players are just that.. people who usually have no interest in the game and just want to have fun throwing their free chips in the middle and hoping they hit... nothing wrong with that, but they should be kept to the turbo tables, or if they wish to play the other non tourney tables, then a limit on their bingo play should be made to allow others who wish to play poker a chance to play a strategic game and pinch their chips on a level playing field...

Ok TheDeville m8, I accept what you say,good point,but I am still frustrated with the "bingo"
fratenity. So clearly something needs to be done. Not sure Hovis idea is the way forward, because at the moment I am witnessing alot of swearing and abuse with no Mods in sight. So how they are going to monitor allins god only knows.

Hence why I say grey area.


Oh well its no good moaning because it will only make or break me.I either stay or go.

Watch this space!!

batankyu2
Oh bless you. I wasn't trying to suggest your software was faulty you poor thing. Merely that I find spying a highly suspicious activity and am acutely suspicious of the uses such software could be put to. You silly billy.

The initial reason I opened direct connexion to the tables without using the flash client
is that I was myself suspicious of how the software was doing things.
In particular, the fact that the password was visible in the URL led me to think
that it was highly possible that the programming of the software was sloppy enough
to allow malicious exploitation of a direct connexion for technological cheating.

In particular, I wanted to check that:
- nobody can see others pocket cards.
- flop is not communicated in advance (at deal time) from server to client.

This led me to reverse-engineer the communication protocol between the server and the client.
By doing this, I noticed that bank balances of players involved in a pot at showdown were communicated (but not displayed by flash client),
and that I could use this to build an extended leaderboard beyond the 50th rank.

If something malicious was possible with the spy and I myself were malicious,
I would not have made the spy project known by players,
nor would have i bothered to make its output available to public.

...and then there was light.....

Maybe we should close most of the tables ?
Only leave a few open so that people can get a taste of how it used to be when players had respect for their seat at the table, and good poker was played.
Knowing, when you went all in it could be 30 mins, maybe an hour before you got a place at the table again.

Oh the good ole days :p lol

It was called the nappy days...

oooooh nappyyyyyyyyyyy daaaaaaays...

So thats how you stayed at the table so long without a break batankyu ? lol.

lmfao

don't worry about trout, he thinks everything smells fishy...doesn't realize he's smelling his own upper lip

oh, and hovis...I posted in Jyri's similar (and in general less inebriated) thread...hadn't even read your post

* poo, can't get the link right

http://www.thefreepokerroom.com/forum/1_5380_1.html

That one?

Here you are:

Quoting lefthandwoman

I actually thought hovis' action was very reasonable. I don't go to tables 4 or 5 unless I want to play bingo...which is never. I don't appreciate a single bingo player coming to another table and forcing the entire table to either bingo or leave the table. It's very frustrating, especially when you had a good game going. It's gotten so bad now even the tourney tables are not safe from this (though in that format they tend to take themselves out).
Would it be complicated to implement something like what chef suggested? Post a "no bingo" notice on the other tables.
I realize in theory there is a lot of grey area, but when you're at the table, it's usually pretty cut and dry. People know bingo when they see it. I think it's more about a pattern of behavior than about any limit. It's forcing other players to go all in over and over.
If you need a concrete guideline, maybe it's something like no more than $500 (since you can refresh to $1000 and that would leave you half you chips to play past the flop with).

that's the one
didn't realize you were a fan of redundancy...ya learn something new every day

Maybe I shouldn't ask, but what do you mean in that there post above and does it have anything to do with the bingo debate what this here thread is about woman?