i thought a bingo player was one that went all in and then reloaded with 1000 when he lost (i have done that i am afraid when i had no chips so i could enter comps)

but reading the forums it seems you can bingo on some big tables. how can you do that if you do not have the chips?

or do you mean these guys actually build up a big stack and gamble big on the comps? if so what is the problem as they will come unstuck eventually but they have earned the right to be there as they have a big stack?

I don't understand the question.

Where's ynot12 or flyingfinn when you need them??

lmao Pete

joebaillie1, yes some players do get some very big stacks and bet big most of the time. When you have 100k + on the table and players are sitting with 1000 then it's easy to bet big pre flop. They might lose a hand or 3 but eventually they win and clean up again.
It's not what I call poker but hey, that's how they like to play.

Some people on tourney tables just allin with rubbish or very mediocre hands regularly joe... Or worse they call a big raise out of position with second or third pair and hope to hit.. The worst ones are those that call a decent raise preflop with say J 4 suited against aces and hit then say they have made a good play, where in reality they have played badly and got extremely lucky.. Everyone bluffs , but when you get caught out of position and are reraised by a decent hand whats the point of jumping allin and just hoping to hit??
My only complaint against them on the tourney tables is when they say " its free chips so who cares".. many people come to a free site to learn and when people make bad plays and hit then use free chips as an excuse its because they have no interest in learning the game.. they wouldnt dare do it on a cash table so why do it here?? The one or two that have said they play the same on cash tables are either lying or very poor....
I dont see a problem with people using the turbo tables to allin and make enough chips for the tournement tables, if thats where they leave that sort of play, but they dont, they do it on the pot limit tables and carry on to the tourney's...Even though thats not what turbo tables are for in reality.. They are meant to be for the more experienced players who take less time to play their hands not as bingo tables, but many free sites end up with turbo bingo because people want to play tournaments....
I used to play everyday here, but usually now play maybe one tourney a day or not at all except for team games, but even they are deteriorating somewhat, because as far as I can tell its the turbo tables that have caused the bingo mentality on the tournament tables and its gotten worse over the last couple of months.. Even the better players on site have resorted to it to try competing with the idiots..
As swampy said.. Its not poker as I know it, but they think thats how its played so we have to put up with it..

Cheers Deville and very well explained. i am totally new to poker even though watched it on tv for years but playing is mental compared to the armchair. i must admit i now use the turbo to try and get funds to play tourneys as i am learning all the time. it took me a couple of months to get up to 140,000 and i thought i was unbeatable now i am down at 3,000 + struggling to get on any tourney. but i cannot enjoy the turbo as (you state) so many go all in, and i can't afford that due to lack of funds.

my confusion is you see people with 80,000 chips on turbo, but they must be doing something right because they couldn't be going all in at the start as they would come unstuck. so how do they get so high??

i play tourney the way i would real cash (i think) and for that reason i really enjoy them. i would never go all in unless i thought i had a chance to win, but i keep making school boy errors, but hopefully i will get some consistency.

now any chance of a 100k loan so i can try the 50k table. :-)

Hello There!!

I'm a complete noob but seems like a ban on serial offenders or a temporary ban could solve a lot of problems.


Maybe not, Who knows!!

Or a time out so you have to wait twenty minutes before resetting your chips, that would probably work better, don't know if it's possible though.

You will always get big stacks bullying on turbo and tourney tables joe for the reasons swampy stated earlier, but I can guarantee you they all start by playing bingo on the turbo tables... Thats the problem with the turbo tables on here.. theres too many of them.. there should probably be only one turbo table for omaha, one for holdem and the rest limit tables... That would create a waiting list for the turbo table and those resetting would then have to wait far longer before sitting again.. I'm not saying it would stop the allin bingo mentality, but it would curb it somewhat.. It would also make people playing the limit tables attempt to play poker to accrue their chips... This would eventually have a knock on effect to the tourney tables because making it harder to make chips on the ring tables would then cause people to think harder about their play on the tournament tables...


That could work, and am sure its possible to factor in a time restraint on resetting chips, but I dont think it would be looked at as would probably reduce the players onsite which isnt what the site owner wants or needs....

I am just a poor mediocre player m8... try Kara or Hugs for a loan.. am sure they would oblige for some sort of exhorbitant interest rate...

i think the time out is a good idea but i would also like a tourny just for 1000 so learners can play without trying to build up on turbo tables.

Would it not be for the medieval torturing devices you use daily to squeeze me empty I would agree. For now it is all about exorcism....

Vaxxx

It's sort of like going 'allin blind' preflop, which happens occasionally in real games. Only here, you have 8 to 10 doing it at one time.

Nothing to learn there -that's definitely true.

Table one is a one raise only pre-flop table....and it's known for being the more "new to poker" table here...for folks learning how to play, or for people simply wanting a casual game where you don't get wiped out playing one hand.

The 3k tourney isn't hard to gather the chips up to play it...though.

=)

deville and partyboy stay at table 1 or tourney tables and you will be happy...ok ty

An extreme big stack at the table can legitimately bully a whole table full of short stacks as described above. By pushing/bullying everyone all in all the time (s)he has to get lucky only once in a while to sweep up all the previous losses back again.

And the correct answer, at least in Omaha, is to play only very selective starting hands. This can get you very far, even to the point of stealing that big stack that is playing recklessly, but extreme discipline is needed and it is boring because you have to fold so much.

However what I do not understand is why the short stacks do not cooperate a little better by betting small raises to 38 (third and last bet till pre flop). That is really stupid because of the sweeping up advantage of the big stack. I get the idea it is even frowned upon to stimulate other players to use this strategy.

Why, and why not?
;-) and ty

It is like herding cats with a bloody steak in hand. Individual want trumps the advantage of group work. And to build a stack becomes a long drawn affair. Now who wants that? -- ....;-)))

Last, but not least. Folks just do not think too much, but I will comment no further on that.

FF

Actually years ago, people used to do this far more often. You'd get the one guy on a table going allin over and over, so people would cooperate to do that.

What happened, is getting to the Leader Board became such an obsession for so many people; that the goal wasn't to play poker properly -yet rather just get the chips.

I personally, don't see waiting for a good hand, playing a good round -as a long drawn out affair. Poker takes patience, which is the most important key. The standard play is about 12%...and if you can be patient, you'll actually get some good poker going.

The circle of allin, allin, allin, allin, allin, allin, allin, allin, allin, allin...is a lottery game -pure and simple.

Now, somebody could rightly say, I'll play as I please.
Sure, but ya ain't playing poker...lol.

whats wrong with people thinking jyri?? some people on here do want to learn m8 and then progress to cash tables, so why is it that so many people here put them down when they ask serious questions?? Its always those that come here to learn that are put down by those that have no interest other than saying " its free chips so I'll do what I want and sod everyone else".. I have heard people mention the possibility of getting an allin or fold bingo table... great idea.. tell all the bingo players to go there and do away with the turbo tables altogether..
I am absolutely certain that if there was only one allin or fold bingo table it would reduce the bingo mentality thats getting worse on the site... In the long term it would reduce the bingo play on all other tables, and people who now leave when the bingo starts would be onsite more and enjoying themselves.. And as proof of me saying that people leave because of the bingo I can say that at least 3 times last week the omaha pot limit table was full... The turbo table had seats, but two players who have been on the site for quite a while turned up.. raised massively every hand and 7 people left the table on at least two occasions when I was there.. All saying the same thing... go to turbo table or we wont be back... not good for the site m8 when 3/4 of a table leaves because a couple of people cant be bothered to use the bingo table.... And its getting the same on the tourney tables.. theres certain people who sit at tourney tables and players who want a decent game of poker get up and leave because they know what will happen...
The site wont die because of these people but it certainly wont thrive, so something has to be done... The turbo tables are the cause of the problem because they arent played as they are meant to be, so get rid of them.. simple..

Yay.. well said hun... been trying to say that for ages but most wear earmuffs and stick their heads up an orifice so they dont have to admit it..lol

You know, the more you play in real life -the more you want to see poker played well.

If it's a circle of allins, you know your AA is gonna be against 84os...so, the thrill of getting a tasty hand is greatly diminished by knowing the allin next to you with 84os; can easily hit trips.

It takes the fun out of getting anything really good.

Plus, people aren't given a chance to learn how to play after the flop..because the entire board drops down at once. You aren't learning your odds that way...or how many outs you have.

I think you misunderstood my point bro. The aimless all-inning is the result of a lack of thought process...not the commentary here.

If that is the problem, the solution should not be so difficult.
Reset the leader board and chip counts each month as originally stated.
ALSO do not give away 1000 chips (reset) but allow people a negative bankroll, then it doesnt help to bingo.
For serious tourney tables one could require a sufficient positive bankaccount.

A running 12 month sum total leaderboard could add to the fun.

You do not really get on LB by playing bingo as the default strategy. True, when playing the turbo's, only way to get a start is to play bingo....as even AA is a bingo hand with 9 callers. Once above 10k one can entertain the option of proper play. From 50k on that should do the trick.

I have said this many times before, there is no remedy for bingo, but we can adapt.

Jay, the LB we have doesn't provide such finesse and sophistication. It is a blunt and dull instrument of measure, but we just got to live with it.

That is completely true -but it doesn't stop people from trying...or as stated; to at least gather enough for a tourney. The turbo tables are a great inflation creator...because more reset over and over -after each alllin, than do not.


Yes, and if the best hand in poker -becomes equivalent to 72os -something is seriously wrong with the standard of play...heh.

you want a revolution ?
we french at quite good at it.
We usually like them to involve sharpened devices.

I proposed that myself some time ago...

So true Dani xx. I tried again to part the seas and walk on water. Alas, just like turbo all in with AA, I failed miserably. Thinking of becoming a heathan.

;-)

That would solve nothing in my opinion, will just piss a lot of people off lol. The negative bank roll is a good idea though. Second thought how can you make more chips will no chips?

Oh yeah it can happen on big tables such as Diamond mine. Players like Greatestplayer aka gp, are known to ruin a good game on a 50k table. Bingo is not always just going all in with nothing, but calling with a crappy hand. Yet they always have some kind of excuse for their play. Like I paid 50k to enter, I can play anyway I want to. Which is true, but there are sites that offer actually bingo games if you wanna play there.

Bingo players like him are impossible to predict or read, because they have nothing to lose. They dont care about winning or losing. The best soultion is no soultion. They just come to the table to be a jackass.