Thanks for getting most matches organised before the start of the round. Its a big help.

GENERAL CONDUCT: When playing we get really involved and sometimes we cross over the line between happy and sad. Remember, no intimidating other teams. Don't comment on the way an opponent plays, it isn't clever and doesn't fit into the aim of this league. I am going to ask the referees to muzzle (match only, no penalty) any player who falls outside the spirit of the game and doesn't take note of warnings to stop.

TOURNEY TABLE: No play is allowed on this table outside of the following and must also be booked in the booking thread. League matches, Team friendlies and organised tournaments as per MMxx's suggestion of "top ten leader board".

TABLE PASSWORD: Not to be released to anyone who is not registered to a team (happened yesterday).

Tiandra can now access the team list thread and she will update totals after each game. The league tables take a long time to change, they will be done after rounds are completed. Maybe I should simplify the way it looks and use excel, so we can update straight away?

Any suggestions post here guys, I like your ideas and input.

No posts? all happy then?

well hovis
that is what happens if you run the league like you do.
fantastic

people might not say it enough,but you and your team are doing a FAB job!!
well done

Hovis - are you asking for suggestions re conduct or just in general suggestions for the league?

I think what you and the others like Tia, Froggy and Woosh have done with this league is fantastic - it really is!!

I know you told me when I was first making up the pot heads team that this league is the very first poker league on the world wide web ... and that still blows my mind. So, you guys rock.

If you are asking for any improvement for the league - sometimes less is more, I think the individual league table may endanger the general team spirit:

I think the leaderboard detracts from the team ethos - for example, I came 2nd against the Soul Sisters ... now that was only because Petie and Suz passed me chips and saved my black'n'white panda-backside several times: suz won it which is very cool, she deserved it too ... but I wish I could give Petie aka the mighty pampam my points ... because she was an absolute superstar that night.

Same with our last match - swampy saved my bacon too - like I said on our team thread: he was immense that night with both playing and helping his team mates survive. He has the true aussie battling spirit of not letting the team down.

For me: these are the moments I'll remember looking back on playing this league - the 'sharing is caring' moments. So, I think the leaderboard can be a false indication sometimes, because Petie and Swamps have less points than me just now; it looks unrealistically like I played better - but I didn't, believe me.

BTW, if you ARE going to have an individual leader board - it should include all games played and the best average should win. This thing of the best 10 games being added up isn't condusive to encouraging team dynamics.

For example, we have 9 players ...we all agreed when we had 7 players that it would be better to allow 2 more people to enjoy the league experience rather than us playing a couple of extra games: so, we will all end up playing 7 games each, and one player will play 8 games. Now, if you don't use the average and other players play all 13 games and get to ditch their 3 worst results ... that's just not fair.

In summary, the individual league table holds the most inherent risks of disrupting the harmony within teams.

Just my opinion - but you asked, lol.

y dont u keep password. n who eva uses it on table gets BANNED then no 1 will bother then will they??

Hovis - I think one idea is for every league player to agree to the terms and conditons of the above-mentioned conduct. I do.

As league pack-leader it would be great that everyone confirms and conforms ... or they are no longer in your pack.

Where do I start hmmm ok.

bhamboxa: If you knew the history of early days in league you would understand fully the problems we had with the pass m8. One of problems if we ban at a tourney table, that player sits and is not ejected, the timer runs down every hand. This ruins the game for both teams.

PandaFlesh: The singles league is a bye product and I asked at beginning for approval from all players on the concept. It was carried. I can understand what you are saying and yes it does have its flaws in respects of team play. But the other side of the coin is, that those with the team "ethic" will actually benefit. Captains pick their teams not me and its them that stop individuals taking advantage of their own members generosity.

Rules by agreement I do. In cases where I see misuse of chat box (as posted above) I don't need members to sign. I am democratic but sometimes you have to take control. Muzzle for misuse with no penalty, to be removed when finished, will stop the problems I never envisaged when starting this league and that is individuals spoiling a game because they only think of themselves, not about others.

I thank you both for your input, it's truly welcome

Mighty Slice Hovis - not sure how the team ethic will benefit from any indvidual player wanting to win so badly that they play only for themselves? Me no understandeee??

More importantly .... what about the concept that the best average should win ... for me that is a positive change that can be made. Yours and anyone elses thoughts on this please?

DRESS CODE: All players shall be clothed while playing, unless particularily fit, having such fitness verified by photo circulated to league commissioner prior to the match.

BODILY FUNCTIONS: No player shall emit nor discuss emitting any nauxious substance during a match.

RESPECT FOR THIS THREAD: No player shall flippantly interefere with a hovis thread by inane bogus rule suggestions. Reprisal shall be severe.

Lmao - methinks someone is digging a hold for themselves?
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I get the picture and will comply henceforth. (Sorry again)

or perhaps I should put this on before game starts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXPBXOCMEI


Not being able see as well as speak may aid my concentration

Hovis, you're doing a fantastic job with this (I had no idea this was the first league tourney on the web). Kudos to thee.

I have come up against one problem in particular, and that's being available for matches at times that, due to time zone differences, are either very late or very early. As most players seem to generally be from US or UK, the time is set at a good time for 'most'. Now if, for example, there was a set time made out beforehand for each league match taking place, rostered evenly throughout the whole tournament, i'd know exactly what time i'd have to be there, and can perhaps shuffle my free time around accordingly, in order to make it to game. Or alternately, I could decide beforehand whether I could make the majority of the matches, and perhaps decide whether or not I wanted to take part in the tournament in the first place. I don't mind staying up until 2am or 5:30am for a match - so long as I know that that's when it's going to be, rather than a day (or even a week) or so before the match.

I just thought i'd throw this out there - i'm sure there's something i'm missing that would make doing that a real pain in the rear, or already discussed in another forum thread, so feel free to point that out.

P.S. I should state that I in no way intend to slight the good job the captains do so far as organisation, trying to deal with day-to-day stuff and doing this too.

ok one by one.

Panda: The team ethic you don't understand. Easy friend, Captains run their own teams. If they allow an individual to take charge of betting to further their own chances of honours, then it weakens their own teams chances, so this in turn strengthens their opponents odds.

The best average was discussed some time ago and was explained in detail. The system we now have was a result of that discussion. I guess it's like all threads, we get new ideas (old in context) every day but history is realy repeating itself.

The Egg: Don't apologise friend, nothing to apologise for, all you did was show me a weakness in the system and I have plugged the hole. Maybe I should say thanks rather than zip it lol.

Neiko 1: Sorry m8, it's a problem the old time zone. You stick at it and I will make it up to you. How about a zone tourney at the end?

Bento: You are hired as my translator for the wonderful way u crayon in your pics lol m8

Hovis - I do understand the team ethic concept. I didn't see how it was really going to benefit the team dynamics, long-term. I still don't. Just because other teams will have their odds improved by their opponents not cooperating effectively desn't make it a positive thing for our league.

Captains do not have remote controls on their players ... after all it is not any captain's team to own and ommand as they please (or shouldn't be - ours isn't, we all feel equally included): each one should be a democracy ... that's where ill feeling starts:

I know we both understand each other's points here and are mostly on the same page. However, when everyone voted on having an individual team ladder as an extra dimension: nobody had played in an internet poker league before - it sounded great idea to me too at first. But, now we are all wiser.

So I am saying that this concpet should be reviewed: at least for the start of the next one.

The same thing goes or the averages - just because an aggreaget total was discussed before and decided on, doesn't make it right. We need to learn from our arguable mistakes. Its a moving target - and so far its been a case of good shooting batman; so I'm not criticising, just respinding to your request for input.

PandaFlesh

you seem to be talking about teams internal problems m8.
im on the individual table
however it in no way affects how i play for my team

for example: our last game we placed 1st 3rd 4th 5th 6th.
now i won, but our team won also.i went for the win once my team had won,and not before.if players cant do that then the captain should be sorting it out.

our team is well aware of "playing as a team" (although we have had a couple of incidents :p)......if a player goes for it himself,which i have seen in a league game then its HIM or HER thats ruining for the rest of the team.

the individual table is not what your signing up for.
however i think its good.if nothing it shows the players that are playing consistently well through out the league.whoever wins it can take pride in it even though it comes second to the league table

my advice m8 is whatever team has that problem player,get it sorted.
thats what this is about...team play
its the team thats flawed not the table :)

peace

I'm just talking in general, Chron - our team is tip top too - its te inherent risk I'm on about.

Alan friend I am trying m8. I understand your concerns and a review for the next one is a must. I based the concept on my experience of running tenpin bowling leagues and off course life itself.

I know cant make all happy, oh how I wish I could, but I understand you and your team would like a review on the singles concept. As you are aware, this has been accepted and to change, even in hindsight, would set a precedence that would, in my opinion, destabilise what little rigidity I employ to control this league concept.

Communication is our weakness due to the anonymity of members. I must be strong in my decisions or it will fold. Sorry mate, this bread has finished baking.

I have a question -- *raises hand*

Is it okay if league players use a different nic for friendlies? Same league player, just using different chippies for friendlies. I can understand how this might be difficult for those of you running the league (we love you), because you can't possibly know everyone's other nic (for those who have one). But thought I'd check -- maybe a preapproved okay from Hovis or Tiandra? Not sure. Thoughts?

just one word, thank you Hovis for the great job.

That's more than one word, GP, but I'm with you. ;)

Lol, people are more complaining then compliamenting, so i guess someone has to say it.

GP: Thank you.

Night: Ty. No hun, I am against those using names not registered to the team forum. Last night I had 3 msn's of members telling me "outsiders on table". If I slackened on this, I would be unsure who was playing, are they members, do I check black book on nics. No babes I do not approve.

However, this is not a rule that is cast. What do others think? Remember if I get too many different opinions, then "No using other than team nics".

Hi Hovis...

I'd like to comment on the "alternate nicknames for friendlies" posts.

As part of a team I like to keep my chip count up on the nick that plays the tourney matches. I would like to be able to play friendlies for the practice but don't want to "waste" my chips on those when I know I NEED them for the league games.

I don't have a huge amount of chips on that acct...try to keep it about 20K. And since I haven't finished in the top 3 yet on a league match...haven't been rewarded yet for all the chips spent to participate. That acct hasn't received a big boost in chips.

SOOOO...if I were able to participate in the friendlies using another nickname then I could get the practice without using up the chips in my league nickname acct. Just afraid I would use up the chips and then not have them when I need them to play a league match.

Hope that makes sense. Thanks for letting me voice my opinion. :)

Pam

Hi Pam: Your really welcome to your opinion and its nice to get some input. If you had seen the problems we had in December when we started and people sitting in on matches because the pass was leaked. I think you would understand my reluctance to relax the nic situation.

I can check any game and know its a registered player. We could when posting for friendlies register who's playing with what nic. I will check with froggywoman on registration feasibility, when I get more input.

You know, when I think of the enormous amount of extra work involved with 'approving' extra nics for the password table, I can understand your reluctance, hovis. Get more input, then decide, but I believe it has to work for the 'workers' more than the players. Truly up to you, Tia and all the others who run the league -- not us.

Hi Hovis

Great job. This thread shows it. Congrats for that.

Neiko's post and your reply to it brought me something to idea.

And what abt a National Teams Competition??

Thanks for your consideration Hovis. I imagine there are tons of problems and more will continue to crop up. But I have to say you are doing an excellent job keeping it orderly but still enjoyable. Thanks for making this league...its been great fun! :)

Pam

Dear Hovis,

I understand the amount of time and dedication that a tournament like this demands. From laying down the rules, managing players registration, setting tourney schedule, setting teams threads, updating results, reviewing claims, solving issues to proclaiming a winner. Hovis, you and your crew are doing a Fantastic job. First tournament entering it's 5th round and pretty much everything is going very very good. Moreover the fairness that anyone can feel every time that you ask for any and all players' ideas or input is remarkable. For all this and much more I am glad that I discover this website, that I have the chance to experience this tournament, and most important that I have met ALL of you beautiful people: league management, IAK's members.
It is always a pleasure to enter this site and play a league match.
Thank you Hovis, Woosh, Bento, Spilari, and all tournament players.