My thought is TEAM PLAY Team points Your Formula is working Hovis "If it aint broke don't fix it"

Exactly, bft (my comments on previous page)

tend to agree with night over the first place bonus but i do agree with the "concept" of teams getting bonus points for overall win. (ie. points total and by overall win i mean total points scored,not having first placed player within their ranks).
eg....a team could win every game they played all season by the narrowest of margins,and end up not winning the league despite not having lost one game. I think an extra five points should be awarded for each win (not for the player who comes first).
in this scenario the league table would look on the lines of..

Played 6 Won 6 Points 30

The overall points scored in each match would then be added...

Eg. Played 1 Won 1 Points = 5 plus 27 = 32 and so on.

The point is...an overall win scored at 30 - 10 and a loss for same team at 20-19 scores the same points as a team who has won both games 25-15.. Therefore they actually havent received a "bonus" for actually winning each match..

The individual table also awards players who come in first often -- another bonus.

I'm afraid if we alter the points so that first place 'wins' the game and not team play/points, it would simply turn into everyone passing all their chips to one player and would become head to head tourneys instead of team league. My thoughts.

I like the system as is, personally.

Definately don't mean to take anything away from the Pothead's dominant performace in the game cited as an example.

I think the league structure and administration is topnotch and fine as is...but do suggest we visit the idea of a win bonus (team, definately not points for an individual) for next season.

I totally agree with the current point system and any team really deserve to win a match when they got 5 players out of the best 6.

I think the current point system reflects how a game was played. A 20-19 victory is hardly a victory... You have to add up all the numbers to see who has won it, whereas a 30-9 is as clear as could be.

What I'm trying to say is, let the outcome reflect the game. When two teams nearly drawed, award them nearly equal points.

I totally agree with the current point system and any team really deserve to win a match when they got 5 players out of the best 6.


Thank you, MMxx. Couldn't agree more.

hovis, great analogy

Australia wins the cricket match (as usual)

who can argue with that

oh...and i like the current format

sorry but totally disagree MM. A win is a wn. If you win 1-0 in football or
5-0 you still get the 3 points for a win. The actual "goals scored" ie. points for players positions should be factored in to points tally but i feel there should definitely be a recognition for actually winning the game.
20-19 is a victory whatever way you look at it. As it stands at the moment,if 2 players left from opposing sides in the scenario you desbribed above,it isn't THAT crucial. If they were playing for actual "win points"...well that would make it a whole different ball game.

Also what about points for knocking other players out say if I knocked 3 ppl out and win the match then I would get 13 points not including knocking your own team out that would b nice to late to start it now but maybe for the next 1 hovis

For me, the concept of a "win", instead of an aggregate points build up over a league season, is only relevant for cup knockouts.

The current system is cool, it reflects how each player exited.

The only thing is that the individual leaderboard thing was a mistake, its too tempting for players to play for themselves instead of the team if they are near the top; but, I've said my peace on that one already. In the same way, giving more than 2 points for a win would only detract from the team ethic, imo.

If 2 ppl are left at the end, its just a custard pie fight most of the time ... so why give the winner anything more than 2 points better than the 2nd placed player?

Chances are that its their teammates that helped them on their way to first place, anyway?!


For example:

I watched the Ace Kickers' impressive 'team' win the other day - early on, Bento had amassed, by far, the most chips at the table - they were joking about 'the bank of bento' and true to form: Bents shared out his stack to his teammates, even, eventually, giving howard chips and leaving howard with more than he had himself - which raised a few cyber-eyebrows.

Although Spil made a few brave bets that turned the game, and he well deserved his 'win': for me, the unsung hero there was Bento and his co-operative banking ethics ... something sadly lacking in the real world these days.

So in summary - it was The International Ace Kickers that won the match not just the inspiltration of one player.

If you look at any team play -- football, baseball, whatever -- it is TOTAL POINTS scored throughout the ENTIRE game that counts/wins -- not just who made the last goal. This is team league/team play, not individual tourney.

Point system is fine the way it is.

ETA: Panda has a good point as well. When players with a large amount of chips 'share' with other players on their team, it is part of team play. However, it is quite possible that if they hadn't done so, they would be the player to make it to first position.

I worry that these types of suggestions will remove the team play we now see in league -- and turn it into head to head tourneys, all fighting for last position since it will be the only way to achieve enough points for a win. The team play and spirit will suffer, in my opinion, if we alter the point system as it stands now.

Nightwriter, it seems to me that you make an argument supports both sides of this discussion.

You're right, the league is great because it is set-up for team against team play. Where else can you find this? Thanks be to the hov and crew..and to the innovators like gegs and Woosh (others too, I'm sure) who started the Mod squad and oldies tourney challenges.

But lessening the delineation of points according to finish and/or giving bonus points to the team as a whole for having the final player at the table (who ends up with all the chips from both sides) would bolster the team aspect, while discouraging selfish play.

Panda, thank you for making me look good with your tale.

However, my motives against the Untouchables were entirely selfish. I figured I would acquire the most fame and glory for myself by going really low with my stack and then staging a miraculous comeback.

Unfortunately, the dealer, software, site management, three remaining players, the International Masons Society, and gawd herself colluded to make me go out short of number one.

The Aces are a deeply divided bunch. Several of us are having affairs with each other's spouses. Fortune and fame has resulted in a sleeze factor rivelled only on Footballers' Wives. Three of our players refused their wee tests after the last match.

Let this be a lesson to all. Ditch the faux-altruism; there is no substitute for genuine self-aggrandizement.

bento ... all I can say to your post is LOL!!! and you're very welcome, bro.

sorry, me again...

Again, I have no problem with not changing anything this time 'round, 'cause the league is great as is.

However, one idea that might lessen individualism would be to allow each team to select the player to play in the final game rather than making it a game of the top point earners. The team might select their top point person, the person they think will play best as an individual, or select someone whatever way they decide.

it was a while ago now - but when I was just starting to make up the pothead team ... I'm sure I remember Hovis explaining that the scoring system is the same as the grand prix racing (which I don't follow) - so if its good enough for them - surely its good enough for us?

Night....i'm afraid you are missing my point completely. I am not talking about the winning player at all. I am talking about the aggregate points score.
And as for team play,I can only vouch for my own team but i think we've got our team strategy well and truly sorted. We have NO individuals.
I cant comment on American sports but certainly throughout Europe and the rest of the world in association football,an amount of points is awarded for a win whether it be by a small or large margin. The number of goals scored merely comes into the equation if overall points levels are identical at the end of the season.

Bento and his co-operative banking ethics ... something sadly lacking in the real world these days.
LMAO


However, one idea that might lesson individualism would be to allow each team to select the player to play in the final game rather than making it a game of the top point earners.
My team rather has all of us play at the individual table in the end, but for now we have to settle with only Manager1, Birdy23 and Gollum in top ten :-p
Anyway, I do think that if a team has more than one top ten player, they should all get to play at the bonus table. Just because they proved themselves better than other players with less points.

broken pencil, tipless arrow, hand without index finger, MMxx...

Read rules, they are allowed.

CONGRATULATIONS to Dlta for coming back from 24 chips to finish first v Dealers. That was incredible.

Tiandra refereed and said to me "I really enjoyed that match, they were fun teams" Now I am getting hate mail, threats and other crap from players I banned from the league unless I let em back in. It ain't nice and I thought, why do I do it. Guys Tiandras comments on both teams made me smile and I thought "That's why I do it". Thanks guys :)

Hovis, I'd love to play another team match against the people that send you hatemail if that makes it stop. I really can't stand people annoying each other on the internet.

If you want to annoy somebody, just join a Mexican drugs gang, a Congolese militia, a suicide bomb squad or a corrupt government, just stay off the internet!
Well, or start a blog of course - just keep away from game websites.

some people need to take stock of their lives. its only a game, (and a free game at the ) and its so brave to threaten someone with e-mails. you obviously have broken the rules to get banned from the league, so you have only yourselves to blame, not hovis or anyone else.

Dlta, or as some Aces call him D10, just put on a marvelous show. The Dealers are an awesome team and played well again, but that has a good chance of making Play of the Year.

Well done, Dlta!






(Hovis, I suggest you send his wee to the lab...something not right about that comeback...)

Thanx hovis m8 and tx guys, got lucky enough my bingo skill workd lmao.


and for the fight just gimme a call whenever u need lol im too good, u can as Indys loooooool

cheers

Think about it, a guy has 24 chips left against 4 all-star bullies,
the blinds were 100/200 and he came back all the way to finish first!
But there was no skills involved (maybe pills) as he basically did it with lucky bingo all-ins.
but still, i will tip my cap to him and say well done Dlta mate.

well with only 24 chips, i suppose all-in was his only choice for a while..lol

great story, well done dlta, a bold effort

m8 i worked out 6th round so i thought i might aswell post it for ya
the dealers 160
hh 151
pot heads 137
time lords 133
the pokertiers 133
the village ppl 126
brave hearts 110
the untouchables 108
ace kickers 105
mad1s 103
soul sisters 100
wonkas 94
ali cats 91
poker puffs 85

Team league updated, the individual has a broken link will sort when back from work.

Hovis

If the league is to be expanded for next season ( i know things are early,but i also know that there are several things that you are looking at!),i would to run my own team.

I am happy to be part the team i am already in...........but would like to run my own team next season if possible.

Thanks