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Author hovis
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#1 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 09:49
We are having two leagues, but after several games and mixed results will Omaha work in a league system?

Try it and post your thoughts, I can easily do a twice around Holdem, we have time I will be formatting end of September.

Thank you for your time guys.
Author woosh
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#2 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 09:55 - Edited by: woosh
Hi,
Have played in two tourneys cant say its as much fun as holdem but let others try 1st.Blinds kill off more ppl than the skill of poker.
Author PandaFlesh
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#3 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 10:09 - Edited by: PandaFlesh
Only played one omaha team friendly and have one arranged for thursday, Graham - but the first one was fun ... its basically the same as holdem but each hand holds the threat of having a little surprise explosion booom, just like in the cartoons ... so for me, that is why its a winner.

Plus, some teams have recruited on the basis of half the games being omaha ... that's why some of the players agreed to join.

Its not to everybody's taste ... but neither is holdem.

However, all my guys play holdem - so we are cool either way.
Author hovis
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#4 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 10:10
Good comments both, thats what i need ty
Author danm97
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#5 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 10:27
I realy enjoy playing omaha !! But only on cash tables !!!

I find tourneys too long and with team play it gets even longer !!!

Im not against it tho !! I know many want it and its all good !!

So I think you should keep it !!
Author jesta12
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#6 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 11:44
Hmmmm.......

It will be fun, but at the moment i have to say im a little undecided,will reserve my judgement untill i have played /watched a few more friendlies!
Author Petie
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#7 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 12:55
Hi Hovis Dear...

when I first heard we were going to have to play Omaha in next season's league line up I was a tad (OK extremely) worried! But after a mild panic attack I sought words of wisdom from my friends who happen to be Omaha gurus and after lots of practice (including dodging the Omaha Bingo Heads) I think I have a handle on how to play.

Having played a couple of Omaha tourneys I can see that team play will be a challenge. Passing chippies won't be near as easy. But I guess if you're on a league team...you're prepared for a challenge!

Those are just my thoughts O Great One...:)

Pam
Author bauldy73
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#8 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 13:00
i think its a fantastic idea, i love omaha better than texas if im honest, i can also understand that the games will be long and passing chips will be hard but as the blinds go up surely it will be easier??
Author suzan
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#9 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 13:24
Hey Hovis,

I think omaha is cool in the league its fun and that way its not always the same thing u do.
Omaha is a bit a challange coz its much harder to pass chips but it can be done i ve seen it happen in our friendly.
it was also a fun game to watch coz u never know what hand u ll see if someone plays the hi or the low and all those thing makes it a bit more fun.
Maf has thinks the same about it.

xxx
Suz
Author CMwonka
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#10 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 14:19 - Edited by: CMwonka
Hello hovis.

To be frank the poker league worked extremely well last season so i don't think it should be changed.
I personally don't think there is a s much skill involved in the game of Omaha, Obviously all poker games have levels of complexity, but the contrasts between Omaha and Texas Hold'em, reveal Omaha to be much simpler. Texas Hold'em decisions are full of uncertainty, randomness, and the complexity born of one simple fact -- in many hands, all players involved have basically nothing.
In contrast, in most Omaha games you seldom play hands head-up on the flop, and anytime there are three or more players in a pot either: one player will have a clearly better hand than the others, or more than one player will have a solid hand, or any bet from any player will be able to win the pot on a bluff (because no one has anything at all). Each Omaha hand has many more ways to connect with a flop.
What I'm trying to say is the game results will be mixed up so there will be no true poker champions.
Its like playing football on a Saturday then getting the same team together on Sunday for your next league game witch is rugby.
So my vote is Leave it as it is hovis
Author woosh
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#11 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 14:23
To be frank?? not an other bloody name wonka you got 5
Author CMwonka
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#12 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 14:26
LMAO LMAO LMAO
Author Daniella
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#13 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 16:18 - Edited by: Daniella
In my personal opinion....

I'm having doubts altogether -if Omaha is gonna work out as a League game. It's slower to play, soooooooooo many people don't get the game at all and it's hard to play as a team. You basically play it on your *own* and hope you luck out. With everything split in several directions, and people not sure of hands...yeah.

The fact that it's hi-lo split...NO LIMIT game, makes what we have here -as a truly "made up" way to play it.

Even Omaha tourneys are always pot limit....it's if hi-lo split.

I think I have to say it's not really going to work, as we had hoped, and it was a very cool idea, but I do have strong doubts on whether it can be played "team style" with our structure of the game in place.
Author macdaddy2234
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#14 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 16:22
I defos feel we should continue to have Omaha as i know we based choosing our team on the basis that their wil be a omaha league
Author jesta12
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#15 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 16:37 - Edited by: jesta12
2 leagues in this the first time it has been said?
Author jesta12
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#16 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 16:44
^ as in to be played separately or as 2 divisions?
Author Bento
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#17 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 17:39
Hi Sir Hov,

I am scared, not that I fear Omaha, but because I find myself agreeing with both Wonka and Daniella.

The League's first season was a real success. There were many who thought it would not get off the ground or just fall apart. Few could envision the level of sophistication and community it developed with your leadership and the players' enthusiasm.

There were some glitches here and there, and areas to tweak. Addressing these, including spreading out the work-load, would give us another challenging and fun season that could be measured against year one (in terms of performance and the Dealer's dominance).

The Aces were just finding their stride at season end. Personally, I think I'm only now figuring out the Hold 'em game itself, let alone the team aspect.

I'm not convinced Omaha lends itself to team play-making, which became a highlight in year one in the League.

We did some recruiting based on the Omaha factor. The Kickers are all bi-pokeral. We'll take what we get for a format and try our best either way, having fun and leaving black boot marks.

I like the idea of two leagues with entirely different teams and rosters, but that sounds like a huge undertaking that only a masochist would take on...perhaps you know one? Maybe the two could be staggered (six months each).

Anyway...thanks, hovis.
Author tincat
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#18 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 17:49
i cant do omaha


Bi-pokeral ?? luv it
Author ynot12
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#19 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 18:39
i've played 1 omaha friendly agin the sisters. twas a top game and i really enjoyed the play. Our team was able to pass chips pretty freely and team play was do-able. It might just take a tad too long to complete a match, maybe longer than some players have but none-the-less i did like it.
Author Bento
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#20 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 19:20
just to add...our team hasn't tried a match yet, probably should soon..good to hear the Hoofs were able to use some team strategy

one reason I don't play the Omaha tourney tables often (not many do) is the length of the matches
Author lefthandwoman
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#21 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 20:13
hey!
You can't dangle that carrot and then take it away just because Wonka doesn't know how to omaha his way to the top!
I'm looking forward to teaching my team the omaha shuffle, raise omaha awareness and kick omaha ax.
But I do like the idea of splitting it up. Keep the same teams, same schedule, but split up the results. So you have a Texas champ, an Omaha champ and an overall winner.
Author Bento
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#22 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 20:36
that's not a carrot dangling...
Author lefthandwoman
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#23 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009 22:04
no? baby carrot?
Author jotatuga
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#24 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 08:36 - Edited by: jotatuga
carrot?
Author jotatuga
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#25 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 08:46 - Edited by: jotatuga
Hov,

I think Omaha should b a separate league with a different classification table at least for the 1st season.

We can get holdŽem as it was last season or twice around Holdem in 2 groups or 1 ( ur call ) and Omaha a independent league.

The combined points of each game per team could be easily the Team and player rankings.

In the end we would have a HoldŽem Team Champion, a Omaha Team Champion, a Individual Champion ( 4 holdŽem and Omaha ) and. finally a Ranking of most complete teams ( for both games ) and/ or players.

For u to consider.

Tks for reading. :)

miaaawww
Author hovis
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#26 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 08:55
Reply tonight buddy gtg. ty
Author macdaddy2234
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#27 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 13:17
I agree with jotatuga having a seperate league for both is a good idea
Author hovis
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#28 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 16:39 - Edited by: hovis
Ty Jot, Ok it looks like you want Omaha. Well seperate leagues wasn't in the plans, I will explain.

I wanted two leagues of eight so one league could play fortnightly on holdem table and other league the Omaha table. Obviously cross over for second set of matches, that meant you would be playing each other twice, so more than 8 in league is a no go.

The idea of seperate Omah and holdem leagues is a no go situation, because you would only play 7 matches in each format.

What Tiandra has prepared for me is a split points count per member and team in each format. I could look at doing an end of season tourney or decider in each format, but as I posted before the top two fron each league (four teams) will contest an end of season tourney to decide overall team champions.

The tourneys we can discuss and maybe throw in some combos later on, we are talking next April before we finish.

Ty for your input buddy.
Author lefthandwoman
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#29 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 18:29

Ty for your input buddy

you're welcome, friend :)
Author Bento
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#30 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009 18:55
Hov..could the limitations you describe be addressed by having a 5 month season of Hold 'Em followed by a 5 month season of Omaha? This would allow a month per league for post-season stuff.

On this scenario, the same teams could compete in both leagues, re-form in a specialty version (eg. Hold 'Em Cats/Omaha Cats) with some overlap players, or be distinct teams formed for one of the leagues only.

Just some more thoughts...whatever you go with we'll support.
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