Read and understood :)

there are rules? you guys are getting awful bossy now ;)

Cheers G,

you may wish to update the references to 2010/11 when you have time

The rule about subs - not being able to play for any other team once they play once for a certain team. I am not sure why this is rule is in place? Surely the point of a sub is so that when a team is a short then they can get cover for a match? With this rule in place, the subs might as well join the team as it has the same net effect.

Maybe subs should be able to 'float' and play for several teams - as in the League? Maybe I am missing something (no comments please). I am sure there is some reason for this rule.

anyway, good job as usual G, thanks for all your hard work and time spent. Without it, the WC would not happen and certainly not as smoothly as it has done so. WD m8 :)

cheers,
Z

Hi Zixxy,
If I remember correctly, (and I'm not saying I'm capable of that at my age) this rule was designed because certain teams crossed many borders, for example a player from England could basically play for any one of 4 teams (Pats, Royals, Europe1 and Europe 2). Therefore why should that player (who may be a brilliant poker player - several names jump to mind but I don't want to inflate any ego's here) be allowed to play for all 4 teams, when he subs for 1 that's it, he joins the team or sits out.

The reason for not having subs was also covered by not having a ceiling on team numbers, should a player from, say Turkey, be eligible to play for the US? I think that sort of takes away from the entire concept of one country vs another. If a team can't raise 3 players from whatever million are resident there then I believe they're not recruiting very well and should not be allowed to go farm players from another country. All the teams (except Macedonia and maybe the new South African) have a huge pool to draw from.

Whilst on the subject of the WC, unless someone steps up and volunteers to run the competition it won't be happening, I did the first one and said then I wouldn't be doing it anymore, I only stepped up for the second one when TheDeville disappeared. I have already spoken to firefly925 and he's volunteered if he gets some help (from me and others).

So if anyone wants to have a go, I have all the info saved and would be glad to hand it over

hahahahaha trying to get rid gra

Hi Graham,

I'd volunteer to help run it, but I'm running 2 teams and that's enough.

If someone asks Bat he might take pity and set up competions etc, he's really good at it. Bat doesn't play in it as he doesn't agree with the arguably and potentially perceived jingoistic nature of a WC ... but maybe someone as independent and astute as he is might be a good thing.

I agree with you over the subs thing, btw.

May I suggest 2 things:

1) To alter your wording to include "heritage" as well as "birth/residence" - people born in a country with parents/grandparents from another nation may hold a strong affinity to that nation and feel passionately about it.

2) Each team are allowed one or two "adopted" players (set amount) as a gesture of goodwill - within the spirit of a fun league. If that person is tied for the season to that team, then I think it keeps the concept of nations alive. You see, some people might not like the mix of ppl in their country/countries and prefer to roll with a different crewe or not at all.

pfft your just a boy

I take the point, but I am not sure we have a problem with 'super' players playing here there and everywhere! After all I signed to the Cavs so I can't be guilty.

The idea of subs is to allow teams to field a full side, I think thats welcome. Of course England has 30 million players, but how many play on TFPR, AND how many want to committ to join and play just for the fun of it? I do. of course, but we don't have a choice of 30m players!

I'm happy whatever, just raising my two penny :)

Your work is much appreciated m8 and not suprised your looking for a volunteer. People do not know what goes into making these things happen and making them run smoothly.

Big up the G man and be good :)

Z

hell, no, lol.

well, i think since firefly helped graham out last year (didnt he?) then he should be the obvious choice, as he prolly knows whats up with that, will help him all i can, if needed

I have some data I can share about the distribution of TFPR tourney players.
Since March, Google Analytics is activated on BatStats page,
which allow me to know the cities visiting the page.

While this report is not fully representative of TFPR tourney players
(as not all tourney players show interest in tourney stats)
we can expect the density ratios are more or less preserved.
At this date the report shows a total of 338 cities with:

Massively leading: UK (184 cities= 54.4%),
then USA+Canada (65+7 cities= 19.2% + 2%),
and Europe (70 cities= 20.7%),
and far away Rest of the World (only 19 cities= 5.6%)

The contrast is striking on these two maps: R.O.W versus U.K.
To be at Par with ROW, the competition should almost split USA and UK
into its big Regions (or groupings of Regions, for the less dense ones):

South-East England (39 cities),
West Midlands (25 cities),
North-West England (19 cities),
East England (18 cities)
Scotland (16 cities),
Yorkshire&Humber (14 cities),
East-Midlands (13 cities),
South-West England (13 cities),
Greater London (12 cities),
Wales (8 cities),
North-East England (5 cities),
Northern Ireland (2 cities, vs 7 for Ireland).

South USA (31 cities),
West USA (15 cities),
Midwest USA (9 cities),
North-East USA (9 cities).

And this still shows a larger concentration
in South USA and in South-East England/Greater London...

ETA: few cities are reported duplicated and count twice in the stats above.
This worsen the case of R.O.W as all these duplicated cities are located in R.O.W:
2 duplicated cities in Belgium,
2 duplicated cities in The Netherlands,
3 duplicated cities in Australia.

However, we do not have the equivalence 1 city = 1 player in the other case anyway.
1 player can have played in many cities, in particular if they are neighbors,
and many players can play in the same city.

I will help in any way i can

Hi again all,
Firstly thanks to jd and Kez for the offers of help, much appreciated, however a figurehead (WC Coordinator) is what we need, someone everyone can call on to abuse and argue with (the reason I'm not doing it again) and yes jd Brian (firefly925) has helped my out tremedously in the last 2 Gold Cups which is why I approached him to run the next WC.

I already have everything set up, as I said all I need is someone to collate and publish the results after each round and be the designated 'target' - everything else will run itself, I can easily do the fixtures etc but I will not be the main POC

Amazing stats Bat, maybe the Captains of the English / Scottish and Celt teams might like a internal city/region vs. city/region competition if someone cares to draw some borderlines on a map, now that Google analytics can identify a players location (as stated by Bat)

South-East England (39 cities),
West Midlands (25 cities),
North-West England (19 cities),
East England (18 cities)
Scotland (16 cities),
Yorkshire&Humber (14 cities),
East-Midlands (13 cities),
South-West England (13 cities),
Greater London (12 cities),
Wales (8 cities),
North-East England (5 cities),
Northern Ireland (2 cities) (vs 7 for Ireland).

as well as the US regional competition
South USA (31 cities),
West USA (15 cities),
Midwest (9 cities),
North-East USA (9 cities) - wouldnt be too hard to organise?

Alan - suggested change noted and will be applied - I think (don't quote me cos I havent looked) a player can play for any team he chooses, as long as he has some link to it either through current residence, birth, parentage or grand-parentage (if thats really a word)

I'm currently taking a break from poker (except league and friendly games) due to personal / health reasons, but I will be checking the forum regularly and will certainly assist anyone who asks.

bump

okay everyone, myself, kez, and firefly have joined together to help run the world cup this season, of course, with grahams much needed help, we have made decisions on the points brought up here, and this is what we decided

1. you can play for a team if your parents or grandparents were born there, but no further up the family tree than that

2. there will be no "adopted" players

3. there will be no subs, as each team can have an undesignated amount of players, stands to reason, if you want to play in the world cup, then join a team

4. once the league has started, (november 5), you may not switch teams, if you leave the team you were with, then you just dont play wc league this season, whether you have played a game or not, no difference, new players may register as they come here

please be patient with us, as we are new to this, and wanted to keep the wc league going.
for questions, comments, concerns, our msn addys, and emails are.....

jen.dirk@hotmail.com
kezthehammer@live.co.uk
firefly925@live.co.uk

speak English honey, iz dat Father or Further?

can a player sign up after the WC has started then?

I assume so as you don't allow subs?

tks gang

This should have gone to a vote among captains, instead of 3 people deciding.

Also a little bit more of a response, instead of a blunt "no", would have been a bit better.

sorry alan, that you thought the response was blunt, let me clarify it some.
kerry, brian, and I, have volunteered our time to keep the world cup league running, along with graham as our mentor, and advisor. The rules are decided by this committee, and not by the captains, that is why there is no captains vote. We have discussed this at length, and our decision is that there are plenty of teams to choose from, finding one that fits should be relatively easy. There is absolutely no reason to have (for example)
a player from turkey, playing for the U.S. It just seems to us, that having this would cause more problems than it is worth.

yes, of course zixx, as long as that player was not registered with another world cup team at close of registration on november 5.

Last season Rich (Dickwillywyat) ran the Celts and was living in Bristol - he doesnt have any Celtic heritage ... are you saying he would have been thrown out that team as per this set up??????

Its one thing discussing at length - but, there are other people that have put a lot of time and effort into creating and running teams and should be consulted, that way they get a chance to ask their teammates and fairly quickly, you manage to gather a general opinion.

Under this new setup, I'm considering if I even want to play in it, let alone run a team in it.

You can't prove someone's heritage, so I think the lack of flexibility is unwarranted - what is more important is the person stays put throughout the season.

alan, your protest, if i am not mistaken, was about the "adopted" players, we as a collective, decided that it sounded too much like an easy way for a team to "adopt" a ringer. as per your questions about last year, well hun, last year is last year, and we were not involved then

Ringer? argh! You have to be kidding. This is sounding all too serious, now.

You didn't answer me on my hypothetical question - if Rich was the captain of the Celts right now and he let you know he wasn't living in a Celtic country and has no Celtic heritage ... what would you do?

I look forward to your answer.

Sorry not trying to give you a hard time here, but I think the fun should be put first and being so strict on rules is a bit dangerous. Especially when only decided by the few.

What about me ??
Am I still allowed to play for the Rebels ?? :-/
(It's my granmother thats from Texas... It's my only link to the USA except the fact that I have been in New York once and that I love many Hollywood productions lol)

This is fine dany

Cool thanks hun !! ;-J

can you play for the country in which you live in even if you were not born there and have not heritage from? e.g if i moved to U.S could i play for rebels/US pats?

doesn't apply for me but may apply to others

and good luck running the world cup hahahaha, i see you've managed to step on a few tails already lmao

There is a rule about this above

See paragraph 11 point 1 - so the answer is yes

lmao, i only read the 4 points jd posted! silly me :(