In light of the recent resignation of the entire team, the matches as yet not played by the royals will go thus:

The average points scored against the Royals will be awarded to the opposing team and the remainder to the now non-existant Royals, so all teams yet to play them will automatically be awarded 23 points and the Royals will receive 21.

G, I disagree m8.

You cannot award a resigning team points, let alone 21!

It is also not fair to teams who have played them. (and won)

If they leave, then you have disregard all their previsou results and then at least it is equal for all teams.

cheers buddy, never easy huh? ;-)

Well I disagree with you zix we played them , won 33-8 so then we will lose points cause they now leave?
I cant say I know the answer her but that doesnt seem fair to does it?
It aint easy I agree

well it will be grahams decision as it was his unilateral decision on our points loss. And it was his his unilateral decision to flip decisions 3 times. Its no longer a captains decsion as it was during the inception/previously

if they leave, they shud get 0 points. simple as, well not 0, but the least points available in a game etc

G. This is a problem that is not of your doing, your actions were determined by others, it looks like you are caught between a rock and a hard place, unfortunately what was intended as fun has taken a serious turn. I wish you luck my friend and suggest you include the international Captains in this, you should not be left to stand alone here as any decision made is going to irk someone.

Take care and fond regards Jamie

Agreed,

G does a great job for what I have seen. If we need a meeting then so be it.

I'm sorry, just trying to clarify: does this affect teams that have already played? Will scores be changed? Because that would make a big difference for the nr. 1 (Bennies) and 2 (Macedons) teams right now.

OK Zix your right here are the events. I post these on my own.

We won against Macedonia fair and square. Then Zam complained about us using unregistered players. We read of this complaint the next day, When Graham decided by himself to deduct our points and them to Macedonia.

Complaint was of crazyman and boxycatt

Me and Smoggs msned Graham and explained to him the following:

1. I asked for the rule he mentioned as i had never seen it anywhere. I explained i was in the original formation of the league meeting and there was no such rule.
2. Crazyman is bauldy he just changed his name He said he couldnt fin the rule
3. He registered on the 14th before round started
4. Boxycatt registered day before she in smoggs niece and smoggs was there he could have played had we known the rule.
5. Msn- players in the past have left msn on accidently. If we deduct for this loads of teams would lose points.
6. We sat 1st come on this is meant to be fun. When the celts had an issue i advocated they play again for the betterment of the league as it was meant to be fun.


After given Graham all these points he said he could find link so he would not deduct points. Me and smoggs thanked him and left it at that, we were it was zam who complained but we didnt want to make an issue of it

next day Graham post again and say hes deucting points. It was then the team were disgusted at his blatant abuse of power and resigned. I tried contacting him on numerous occasions today without any reply.

When the WC was created it was not created by graham on his own we all we part of it. His initial post was about inter aussie tournament. Me and Alan got together and created the England and Celts teams. Thats whe it began. We had inital formation meating with me,graham,tia,jot and placer. We were all willing to contribute towards stats etc btu he was more enthuisastic so agreed he was the best person for it.

At no time during the captains meeting this rule WAS NEVER discussed. We agreed all decsions would be captains decsions. A they were in the Canada case and the cobra moving team case. If Graham had added/amended rules on his own (which should have been a captains decision) he should created a new thread to let the captains know

Now on this Graham made his own decsion. Even though i felt that no decision should be made as we did no wrong.

OK thanks for the honest post.

I believe honestly that G has only ever acted in the best interests of the WC. I think some dialogue would have gone along to resolving issues even if G was away today (we are all busy bro).

TY for the reply, and as you say, no more nastyness from anyone, it;s a poker site not a war site.

hopefully this will not become another one of THOSE threads, and you will not now hang graham out to dry, lets find a solution that works for all

I agree bro but when we started this it was meant to be the peoples WC.


We did have dialogue with him bro and he agreed with us but he later changed his decision


I thought we all sat around on our comps all day playing poker?

I agree there bro thats why over past 2 days we rried to resolve it over msn. When this happened i seriously tohught no again. But i had to speak up as we all have put effort towards the league. This should never have been only G's decision and im sure if he realises this it will be resolved for the better

I guess that in few years my last 3 suggestions will get some echo...

http://www.thefreepokerroom.com/forum/1_5806_1.html#msg177868

in the meantime, good luck with this drama...

Mac,

No-one has put more effort, blood sweat and tears into the WC than G.

From what has been written, I can see that Zam has some complaint and also from what you say, you also have issues with what has gone on. I dont dispute that.

Posting remarks about G in the forum is not helpful and also the resigantion of the team should be avoided IF possible.

You feel you have been wronged, fine, let's get the captains together.

Zix you asked for what happened and i told you. It was on 2 occassions you team was in a precarious situation and the captains voted, but before that i sent an email urging all to remeber that the WC running smoothly was important. But we all were the people who got the WC started and G has kept all stats upto date. But all decisions should be captains decisions. Even though G had said to us that he would not be deducting points. These remarks as you call them are just me stating what i (founding member of the cup) fell the procedure should be.

Rearding my team, thats a team decision and my team, and that means all those that im a part of always will andhave always had my backing

AGREED captains meeting

That what should have happened at the beginning.

let's get it done then

LOL let me have the last word im babiesh like that lol

ok good, sorted

lol

Mac, are you happy to take this forward?

I'm happy to do anything I can if that helps.

It's a no brainer as already posted. If this team leaves then any points associated with this team need to disapear. As if the team never existed.

Celtic Cavaliers=32

Canada=37

Europe1=28

Benedutch=38

These are the points scored by these teams from games against the Royals , now you dont have to look to hard to see that this would completely change the standings in the league if these points were gone. We of team USA2 will not except anything less than all points scored for and against Royals be considered null and void. We have showed for every game and played without any controversy and we will not be penalized for any reason.The only fair thing is all points removed or the Royals continue the season, no meeting with anyone will change this. I have spoken to the team and we are in agreement on this,we have done nothing wrong and played in the spirit of the league and wont agree to anything that penalizes our team in any way.

Respectfully Buddy

so you see how we felt after we were penalised after doing no wrong

1. I asked for the rule he mentioned as i had never seen it anywhere. I explained i was in the original formation of the league meeting and there was no such rule.

The instruction (not rule) was placed under the team list which was posted monthly, Tia has copies of all as do I but I cant use photobucket so cant post it here.

2. Crazyman is bauldy he just changed his name He said he couldnt fin the rule

Taken from team thread:
posted this on the 11th April in Royals thread
hi team, its with a sad heart that im announcing my resignation from the england team, i feel that personally for me that i havnt enjoyed the experience and feel that i need to spend time on my league play. i wish you all well for your up and coming games.
reguards
sean

and then on the 15th (4 days later):
hi i would like to register for the england wc royals team please (as crazyman)- G

The reason I didn't call a Captains Meeting is because (as you can all plainly see) an agreement would never have been reached, I have said all along that I am writing rules as mistakes are found so that the 2011 and beyond World Cup's will run smoothly, none of these rules was ever meant to be used in this WC (hence the 'instruction' I placed on the Team Lists.) The rules have now been published and I have asked all Captains to comment and give me their opinion. ALL suggested changes will go to a Captains Meeting.

macdaddy2234
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well it will be grahams decision as it was his unilateral decision on our points loss. And it was his his unilateral decision to flip decisions 3 times. Its no longer a captains decsion as it was during the inception/previously

I suppose you don't recall threatening to get the entire team to quit if I did take it to a Captains Meeting either do you?

At that meeting I will be resigning, so be prepared to vote on that too, as I've said in other posts, my time is short and I think why should I waste it trying to referee a schoolyard brawl

Someone organise a Captains Meeting please?

Graham I was at the original Formation meeting. For which we all took out our time (i remember it taking 2/3 hours) this rule you speak of was not mentioned.

If this was later added by you, it should have been made more clear on a new thread or posted in the teams threads.

U have done alot but so have all of us who helped form it

Also regarding crazy u said on msn he registered before cut off so I don't undrsrand the qoute. Or have u changed your mind on that too?

The captains vote suggestion was regarding the points reduction u decided to do. Regarding that no one had posted a difference in view as the general consensus is that we did not do anything wrong