Amazing.




Graham, I just want to thank you for all the work you've done - many of us appreciate it. Forming it is one thing, executing it is another thing all together (anyone who begs to differ can ask Tia and hovis (or you)).

I, along with many, I'm sure, are grateful for all the time and work you've put into the WC. It's impossible to please everyone, as we've seen across the forum lately.

No matter what you decide to do, I applaud all your efforts and the personal time and work you've sacrificed for the cup and all the teams involved. Well done, my friend.

Graham if this is true and believe me i have no reason to doubt you, all you have done is try to keep it simple this first year. Then i for one would like to make sure that the royals are not allowed back in the league and would personally like to admonish there captain for trying to hold us all hostage to get his way.

As far as the points go for the rest of the games, i would welcome any suggestions from the other captains to resolve the matter.The last thing team USA wants is another episode like went on in the other league, and rules should be put in place to punish any team that tries this in the future.

Please believe this was never any kind of derogatory statement against the job you have done.

Respectfully Buddy

Graham, glad u posted that, it seems to me, and i could very well not know the rules, but it seems crazyman was registered after the cut off date, which would make him not eligible to play, no matter what if he quit the team, and then came back, and to threaten to quit if there was a captains vote, when mac is posting here that is all he wanted, this is just stupid. and especially after the last month, my god, doesnt anyone learn? i think what you have done, all the work you have put in, is a wonderful thing, and there is no way, that this is gonna be a repeat of the last month, and i agree with chef, that something needs to be put in place so teams cant threaten to quit anytime they feel like it. I respect all your efforts, and if you step down now, i certainly cant blame you, but i feel like it will be our loss

Well I didint yet talk to the team, but I for 1 wont accept what you say here because we then get penalized the other way around...

not true, you want to decidedsomething, do it democratically, they get to a decision eventually and it will be the best one

An observation i made.

In league and in WC every single player that wants to leave or join the league post with the name they want to play in the 'New Players Registration' thread, reason why is known (now for 2 seasons).
Just posting in your teams thread you are leaving or you want to join isnt enough (i assume we all know that by now)

The way i see it is :
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unclebulgaria
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#310 - Posted: 11 Apr 2010 16:44 -
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hi team, its with a sad heart that im announcing my resignation from the england team, i feel that personally for me that i havnt enjoyed the experience and feel that i need to spend time on my league play. i wish you all well for your up and coming games.
reguards
sean

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crazyman
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#320 - Posted: 15 Apr 2010 15:03 -
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hi i would like to register for the england wc royals team please

Nothing was posted in the 'New Players Registration' thread about this on those dates. Therefore G couldnt have known something had changed in the team, sean forgot he also had to post in the correct thread :(. If sean would have played that game with his 'unclebulgaria' account there wouldnt have been a problem on that issue.

Edit : type error :(

Mac,

I am suprised to read:

G50raham:
I suppose you don't recall threatening to get the entire team to quit if I did take it to a Captains Meeting either do you?

If G is correct that a captains meetings was mentioned and you refused/threatened then you should be told off.

Can we organise the meeting peeps and see if we can agree a solution?

cheers me dears

thanx tia for that input

mistakes were made by me and sean there him for not posting in correct thread
and me for asuming he had,

2nd brainbox! she is my niece i asked her to join team as we were short on players
i aint been royals captain too long and have not noticed the bit gso had posted on
players not been able 2 register and play in same round after it had started
i thought it was ok just to play her if i new this was not the case i would played my self
as i was sat with her as she used my pc to play,

both were little mistakes which can be made from time to time by ppl and were not
intended to blatenly be used to our advantage.


also like to add during the msn convo between my self mac and gso i do not recall
me or mac saying we would resign if was a captains meeting..... a few weeks ago royals were losing a few players as were not enjoying the wc my self included in that, i spoke with the devil and told him about it so if non you believe me ask him!!! but had a think bout it and realised it wern fair so i managed to talk 2 players into staying with me crazyman and jackhighjo just to end of the season. so when all this bs came about you can understad why we just said forget it and take us out the wc so its not just to do with the deduction of points by gso its a number of things along side.

this is a complete lie. When we spoke to Graham and lookily it was the three of us we did not threaten to quit. We laid down our case and after hearing it he said we did nothing wrong and NO points would be deducted.

If Graham is refering to our msn meeting after he had already deducted points I said to him that we have done no wrong and it should not go any further. At the time he agreed but later went back on his word.

The drama over the last month was about othe league members and I was sticking up for them it's easy to sit back and let people be trampled over but it tooks a good person to stand and speak out against injustice.

All comments I posted have nothing to do with the royals as I'm not their captain or representative. I'm just a member of the team.

I know I have made alot of contributions throughout I'm nor going to name them but I put alot effort in ensuring this wc was a sucess.

My point was and the procedure should been as we had agreed.

1. Accusation is taken to Graham. If it has no merit he can disregard complaint 2. but if it does have merit it's sent to a captains vote.

That was my point. I don't think we did anythig wrong and cause should not have gone any further but if it did then it's a captains vote

To say that we only formed it and did nothing else is not true i contributed throughout.

Thats cause we never threatened to quit. But people like JD have the if it dont affect me im not bothered attitude. TRUTH is very important. Im shocked people have no priniciples and dont speak out for the right or speak out for those beign wronged.

You speak of the least month, many the issues sis not affect me personally, but i spoke out as they were wrong. I got not benefit from these.

When this happened i thought not again. Im not happy with the way it ws dealt because when we created this WC. It was never meant to have this type of procedure.

But all should remember the TRUTH is very important and so are principles. Graham and the rest of the you people might think its ok to say onething to one person then go back on you word, i dont. My belief is your word is very thing and its dishonourable to go against it

And in the same post Graham says this. But maybe proving this wont matter as peple like JD and night and others dont care for the truth.

If it dont affect me im not bothered attitude. But for the ones who dont have that attitude please dont put them down as causing hovac

Mac,


You and Smoggs have replied, tyvm. Let's deal with the matter in hand. G has agreed, in fact requested a captains meeting and you have also agreed.

I suggest we have that meeting and discuss. Then we can move forward.

Yes we replied against a blatant lie

Mac,

You already posted that, i read it (and thought it was unhelpful in the light of looking for reconciliation) and I understand.

I would try and be a little more understanding, please organise the meeting as agreed. Ask you Captain I think is the way.

If you cannot do this, you will lose respect and I could only assume you have some other agenda.

I can understand sometimes it can be a bit too much at once (god knows we all have our problems at times) , but still, stepping out of the WC isn't that a bit too drastic?....After all there are only 3 more games to be played. Please couldn't you reconsider and make an effort to set the problems aside and stay in the WC till the end, if you want to leave then ......ok.
Now the WC will be upside down and really, personally i don't find it fair to let so many people down :(

Thank you.

Why would u think its unhelpful when someone completely lied and then posts followed by members saying giving an ultimatum is bad etc etc


I am not captain. Like i posted before.


Why would i have any agenda. If i was desperate to be in charge i would have said it in the 1st captain meeting. Graham was enthuisastic about it and thats why he was chosen

I have no agenda when celts had thier issues graham advice was they got minimum points and it was me who sent an email to all captain saying that a rematch would be better so that it would continue to be fun and people would not be disheartened from the WC. I did this when other issues cropped up. I urged everyone to remeber that it was a new league and comeing down with strict rules and punishment would not be beneficial. It easy now it happens to someone else to sit and say nothing.

Its easy to sit on the high horse and look down, but i have shown that even when it comes to other team i stand up for the rights in the league and the WC.

But i understand people have the need to group together, rather than seek out whats right and whats truthful

OK guys,

enough already.. we have already had one big dollop of turmoil and strife this season, lets not have another...

My opinion take it or leave it I dont care..

Graham has done a fantsastic job in the first season of this world cup, and has openly admitted that mistakes have been made.. Quite frankly I would have been surprised if they hadn't.... Lets just allow him to get on with it with any assistance he requires being honestly given by all the team captains
As regards whats happening with the Royals...
I may be wrong but from what I have heard and seen this is a huge fuss over not much really... Yes bauldy/unclebulgaria/crazyman resigned and asked to be readmitted to the team under a different name.. But as far as I am concerned this is still the same player that originally played for the Royals and I would have no problem with that at all... And neither do any of my team...
As for boxy being registered or not... I am under the impression that she registered in time for the match.. am I right or not?... If so then there is no issue...
Royals.. I understand your point of view, but I firmly believe that you should play out the season and make a decision after that... If you decide to stand by your decision to quit I respect that also.. doesnt say I agree with it though...
These issues were originally given a decision by graham that the result against macedonia stood.. If Graham changed that decision I have to say that without consulting the captains I believe that was incorrect, as from my reading of most of the captains replies in the macedonian thread they were unanimous in agreeing with Grahams initial decision..
Now I know that its tight at the top between Macedonia and the Bennies and were it otherwise I very much doubt this issue would have been raised at all, but only the team captains should be posting anything about this to Graham or in any thread after consultation with their teams...
This is a fun competition thats been played in for me, a far better atmosphere than many league matches, so lets not forget that and just rectify any mistakes made before the beginning of the next season...
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Thats all I have to say on the matter in any forum thread unless all the team captains get together with Graham and wish to make a joint statement in a thread that would be locked so this sort of thing cant keep happening.....

Deville bro theres a thread for a captain vote. That will be the end of all of it

Mac, you dont know me, dont besmirch my character with your crap, i post when i have something to say that matters, im not redundant and annoying with them though. And if you didnt get it, I was posting in support of Graham, and all the work he has put into the WC this season, and I feel there is a better solution, then just saying, okay lets quit. i know it will be hard, but restrain yourself here, and i thank you in advance for NO response to this.

So youd dont want a person to besmirch your charachter but its ok to get on your high horse and dont it to others. BRAVO

Mac,

You got one thing right - you have to have the last word. Well not this time as I am not reading anymore.

Stop attacking good folk, you have lost the plot.

Wind your neck in.

can i say 1 thing, i apologise for not registering in the new players register, and to be honest i dont know why i didnt, but if i/we can get the royals back together which name would you like me to play in ?, i also agree that we should at least play the season out but to be honest we was having great difficulties getting a team together anyway and im not sure that the remaining team will want to play
so come on royals lets leave it until the season finishes we are better than this

i dont think i lost the plot i just have to defend myself, which i have done. Its easy to come on post and look down on others. it different went happens to yourself.

I gave defended many people over the last month and its never been personal to me, till this issue

and if you want the punishment should stand, but lets leave it here and try to fix what is broken. hopefully lessons have be learned and will not happen again

But people like JD have the if it dont affect me im not bothered attitude.

LMFAO Heard it all now, JD, self serving????, Jen whatever you do hun dont express your opinion. Dont know where he plays but it is certainly not the same tables that you do.
JD self serving! hahahahaha,hohohohoho. cheered me right up that did.
Keep well Jen xxxx

That's not the G I know. Sorry, but this really disturbs me, Mac.

I'm still thinking on my captain's decision and waiting to hear from my team.

Team Captain,
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