http://www.thefreepokerroom.com/forum/1_6009_1.html#msg185695



For League A, this would yield:

A:15 or B:15+1=16 Reps
A:15 or B:12+3=15 Mates (initial)
A:15 or B:15+1=16 Hustlers
A:18 or B:15+3=18 Mates (rematch)
A:21 or B:18+2=20 Smokies
A:21 or B:21+1=22 Dealers
A:21 or B:21+1=22 Village
A:27 or B:21+2=23 Puffs (rematch)
A:30 or B:24+2=26 Puffs (initial)
A:27 or B:27+1=28 Touchies

I agree bat lol

I think a tweak to scoring system will be a great idea and i would perfer it was changed so its the same as WC. thus rewarding a team for winning and ensuring every point and position matter.

This league season the untouchables won 10 out of 14 games the most by far but never even made the playoffs. The IAK won 9 out of 14 most out of league b and never made the playoffs. Based on this data i feel a team should be rewarded for winning 71% of the games.
They won almost 2 times more games than the dealers. (im not saying these teams dont deserve it, they do and have earned their spots this season)

The league position would have been like this if the WC formot was used:

League A

Untouchables 349
Puffs 347
Dealers 341
chips 302
smokin aces 287
hustlers 286
village 275
reps 272

League B

ninjas 358
iak 327
cats 324
hoofs 320
timelords 296
soul sisters289
royal pain 277
pokertiers 268

I am truly sorry Bat. My apology. I had no idea that I wasn't supposed to open the thread and talk about the issues I put forth. I am about as amused as you are.

Again, my apology.

FF

dont worry finn we appreciate threads like the ones you created, it allows members to feel apart of it, and for them to air their views.

I do feel WC system should be used, as 2 teams who won the most games by far never made it to the playoffs

if you were going to change anything on the scoring - I think giving extra points to the player who comes first, rather than the team that wins, is better.

Earth does not stop to spin just because some people decided they had enough input.

I have thought of this as an excellent point too, but for now I got to sort out a few things before I can get into the convo regarding the league.

You made good points in the other thread as well Alan, thanks.

I disagree as this will stop teamplay and player willl send all their chips to one player to try to get the bonus points.

Its a team game and thus a team should be rewarded for winning

Points to player coming first do not make much sense in team game.
I did poor games where I finished first only surviving by repeated chip passes,
and my best games where I killed or bled to death most of opponents, I was not even in money.

In this I do agree with Mac, its a teamplay so the team who wins should be rewarded..

... the chip passing therefore paid off and would be ultimately rewarded when you won more points for the team.

... why give a bonus amount of points on top of the original allocation unless you want to make the race for first more exciting?

As demonstarted above, the team who wins the most games will win the league or qualify for the playoffs


A team could lose badly but get 1 player who lucks into 1st and they would then be rewarded with 5 points thus ensuring a victory or a lot more points

Moreover, giving 5 extra points to 1st player just means he scores 15 instead of 10.
With such a distorted point distribution, some teams will begin to consider the following tactic:

Players losing deliberately after securing 1 or 2 points just to give another teammate
a huge stack that he will be able to use to bully other team.

But it won't be team poker anymore, it will turn back to individual poker
after the suicide donations.

Thank you guys for all the info, it's very much appreciated , but could you give us the chance to process all this info.

As i said in the vote thread, we will try to organise the league to the best we can, so we can make it fun for as much players as possible.

Sad as it is ...we all know already that we cant please everyone.

:-)

Any thread talking of League organisation is not necessarily at the destination of the League organizers.

People can continue talking and sharing their opinions as they wish,
as well as explorating the pro/cons of hypothetical alternative models.

We apreciate that u asked the members and have taken thoughts aboard. I hope this continues.

There no negative consquence of people sharing opinions and ideas, as some could be great and benefit the league. If you do not wish to use them thats your perogative. But you may see a new great idea and use it.

Maybe you will not like to read this...

The score system is unique to this league, it has been working flawless for the last 2 seasons, no reason to change it and it will not be changed.

This is not open for discussion.

Thank you.
:-)

thats not a problem, everyone is just throwing out ideas, some will be used whilst other wont. But we do this with the hope some of the good ones stick

Lol.....................

lol

This is just a suggestion, i am happy with whatever is agreed, something to chew on, or chew up.
How about a format based on current points, 10 for win etc, but instead of these totals being added to establish league positions, they go, as in football/soccer, for and against with 2 points awarded for a win. Under the current system a team could win less games but have a superior points for tally, and be placed above a team with more games won, in effect, as things stand, goal difference determines a teams league position.

Just another thought with league reconstruction under way. Holdem league playing each other once and an omaha knock out cup competition.

Feel free to dismiss the above, merely an idea.

Sorry for any errors this has been done on a phone by a self confessed technophobe.
Regards Jamie

That was my point too...

if you read carefully my replies and the analysis I made of the model proposed by Finn
and the critics I addressed to the proposed modification of the current system

so bat do u not think the WC system is better?

http://www.thefreepokerroom.com/forum/1_6005_2.html#msg185775

This is where we diverge though...

( Can't say.
I did not experience it as I stay away from WC.
I did not address the WC scoring system for this reason.
I'll let those whose who experienced it talk about it first... )

Bat u dont need to experinece something to have an opinion on it. I gave an example of how the league would have finished if it had been used. With the extra 5 points the UTs who won the most games would have qualified.

Under the current system a team could win all 14 games but still fail to qualify. Like the UTs.

But this is my opinion and im happy with whatever is decided

I'd rather hear the players who played both systems first.

I am always told, its all about team work. Its not because you win the most games, that you will win the league. Thats where the team play steppes in. If you win 2 games with 33-6, Team 2 wins 2 games with 20-19, we already have 26 points difference.

So, now the question : Who deserves to win the league, the best team play or the most winning games?

I truly agree with this entire post.
Spot on!

In any sport the best team does not always win. Short and simple answer to your question is neither the most with the most points at the end of the day deserves it period.