It's in the labeling...
It sounds oh, so bad...and who wants to join a "lesser team" when many lower scoring teams are total contenders.

It's demoralizing to folks, so maybe they can change the name?
Something?

i dont think its just the name many have said that they dont want to be part a league where you cant win. Especially when you can use the concept used this season.

i will reitatrate i will be a part of the league regardless though i perfer the concept used this season

Is it setting up a place, where bottom of the league never has a chance, or what?
I mean, if it's divided now, isn't it saying..."Okay, you bottom people, you belong in the lower echelon?"

Is this what we are looking at?
I'm at a higher level team, and I'd hate to see people feel like "lower class" players.

It would feel dreadful, indeed.

dont rub it dani lol

Haha...
It wasn't me, it was my amazing team.

=)

By the points this is how it should be set up for the next season using the system that is supposed to be used. My question is who plays who and where does Mac,s new team come into this?

Top league ----- Bottom league

1. ninjas ----- 1.time lords
2.dealers ----- 2.hustlers
3.puffs----- 3.soul sisters
4.alley cats----- 4.smokin aces
5.untouchables----- 5.replacements
6.hoof hearted----- 6.royal pain
7.ace kickers----- 7. village people
8. chip mates----- 8. pokertiers

I think we would be in the bottom league m8.

Although i would perfer say 1,3,5,7 of league A and 2,4,6,8 of league B in same league and the rest in the other league.

I dont understand why its so hard to do this and is an obvious choice.

I know many are looking at the football scenario but in football a promoted team never wins league, whereas here any team can win in any given year ala puffs and ninjas

It's the best scenario in case of 2 leagues imho...
though it does not solves where the 17th team goes if no 18th team is there to make things even...


However, the argument is completely wrong.
In the first case, the ninjas win,
and in the second case, the ninjas win, lol.

We have 17 teams counting your new one Mac so thats why i asked, i,m not sure how it works in Europe but here the minors dont play the majors .Does that mean that the top league just plays each other and the bottom the same and every year the bottom of one and the top of the other switch?

under this scheme m8 it would prob be that 8 teams in top league who play each other and the 9 teams in bottom who play each other. top 4 promoted of league b and bottom 4 relegated in league a. So yeah someone in the minors could be the best team in the whole league and yet they have no chance of winning.

This is why perfer the nfl system which you will be privy to Chef.

The New Orleons were th 12th worst team and this season won the supeerbowl so i would perefer a system where both league are on the same footing with a playoff.

If one feels playoff is too long u could do it so only 1st play each other or 1 v 2 in semis

Thats kind of what i thought Mac, what i really dont get is why, its not like they are knockin down the doors to get in the league in the first place.As was said earlier i guess its a cultural thing, myself i really dont want to invest a year of my time and not have a shot from the beginning, also i dont see why it has to be like this we dont have that many teams nor does it seem a good way to promote the league.How many good players will jump ship when this all becomes reality.

neither do i mate, esp when their is a very good alterrnative. If a minor and major league is introduced i feel its more stubborness and not wanting to do what all the members want. esp when their is a very good alterrnative. Finn introduced a great thread for peoples views but was told to close it down.


possibly, i might have a rounded view on this as i am fan of american sports as well as english sports. And feel using an equal system is the best way to go in this league

As games are arranged on forenight basis,
this means there's a bye team #10.
When a team plays it, this means no match this fornight for it,
and it will happen twice.

It would be shame to lose great players like urself and i fear many more will follow you. I hope the powers that be consider this

it's a different bar and barman here...

theres also the possibilty that a few team may fold due to moving before the new sytstem, more due to the introduction of the system. ie leaving for the major leagues.

so number of teams are not known yet

I dunno why there are all these sports analogies.
Poker is a different animal.

WSOP, WPT, everyone has to fight the whole field,
big shot or beginner...

The reason analogies are used as this is a team competition therefore people inc myself have used analogies to give examples of the different systems used. To give a reader a real life example.

Similarly a WPT example would be redundant as poker is not played as a team game.

these examples are given to demonstrate the 2 equal footed leagues woudl be the best way to go

Actually team poker is played in real life in poker. http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/6892-europe-vs-u-s-event-for-world-series-of-pok er-europe

i think most team poker is played with only 1 hand per team (they then discuss and decide what to do) as opposed to a hand per player as in our format.

Still everybody who joined the league and started this years league could have known how this was gonna work.
At the start nobody complaints bout a major and minor league, but now that the results are known, people want to change..
If I want to change, it would be for big league, not for 2 eqaul league, because this is where we played for last year, to be top 4 and stay in major league and ofcourse I wouldn have been happy if we were bottom 4 and demoted for minor league, but thats the game and format how it was supposed to be for next and to be honest I cant see why not all knew if they only read the rules.
So IF we play 2 leagues I want it as it was witrh omaha and holdm and majoir and minor league, both leagues woukld have his own champion. Did nobody ever seen how happy the winners of minorleague are when they win their league and get promoted to major league?
I dont understand if chef say theres nothing you can win there, cause you can be champion of minor league then and promote to major..

But myself I prefer a big league and we all play eachother once, holdm and number 1 is number 1 so no play offs like now..and there will be no play ofs if there is major and minor league too

I've always seen the League as a pretext to make people closer and create a hard-core of players dedicated to the site,
i.e., to transform an indiviadual games where same people always play each other but never really get to know each other,
into a mini social network revolving around a game.

Introducing a hierarchy in the league, that is, a divisive concept,
is, as far as I'm concerned, contrary to the original purpose of uniting.
As I foresee things, this minor/major scheme has the greatest chances
to work as a factory of bitterness, predictable dramas, players poaching, team disbands...

Well as I said Bat I prefer a big league and all holdm,
but this was intended when we stay with 2 leagues to have the competition element and thats where we played for, to be at least at top 4 and of course to try and win the league..
The same arguments wich ppl make about big league can be used when there will be 2 legues on equal foot, where bottom has noth to fight for and only top 2 are in play offs..
Thats why I am for
A stay as it was intended
B big league , only holdm..

Ron ,, I must plead ignorance in this, i never read that part in the rules. I know this is no excuse but i will say that i have had to give that link to a lot of people who like me had no ideal that this was in the forecast for next year.If this move is being made to make the league stronger or better i dont see how that will work, and i think any minor league team will have a very hard time getting players.

You guys think many people will quit the league over this?

ron if this porposal had been used after Year 1 the Ninjas and the Puffs would have been in the minor league, Yet they have shown to be the best teams. Do you really want it were the best team could be in the minor league? It just taints the victory to an extent


There are many people who have said that they will if they are part of a minor league

I do understand why...and it's a true shame it's coming down to that.
=S

Well then we better have 1 big league dont we as is my favo option...

my point is ron that there wasnt a one big league this year their were 2 seperate leagues on equal footing, which allowed the puffs and ninjas to get the playoffs, which wouldnt have happened had their been a major and minor league this year

Well to avoid the pro and against with minor and major league lets make it 1 again like how it started first season...