Please get a msn team meeting set up where you all, as a team, debate the points and your ideas.
The representative then posts in this thread the results. (1 post per spokesperson please.)


These are the agenda points we would like you to contemplate and reply to.

1) We could run separate, all teams in one holdem and omaha leagues; a new twist into the league again. This gives us the option to run the leagues parallel --as the plan is to play one game every two weeks. Teams participating in both leagues then have two games in two weeks. Should be doable. Also, let us know if your team wants to play one or both leagues. If only one then tell us which one.

1.1) We could do the following: Run the season with division 1 and 2 (holdem only); if there is 2 divisions, there is a reason for all teams to play and not lose the spirit of the league till the end.
1st division : Some teams will play for the title, some will play not to be relegated in 2nd division.
2nd Division : Some will play to reach division1 and we saw this year, that there would have been 6 teams able to get there this year. Was a nice "fight".
At the end of season 2010-2011 we could have 2 winners 1 from each div or
winner of div1 and winner of div2 will play the final game for the title of 'league winner 2010-2011' ?

Promotion/Demotion. The top 2 or 3 from 2nd will be promoted and bottom 2 or 3 from 1st Div relegated . This is a way to create the two divisions only.

Also, this prevents the teams, having a bad season, not to give up half way because there is nothing to win or lose. We think this is an important point. Think well about your choices. Also, there will be a separate omaha league set up with same structure.

2) As far as rules and appeals are concerned: we best make it a one player/team committee. Again, each team nominates the representative ( does not have to be the captain). Tia will have a tie breaker vote if need arises. Other suggestions to improve the general rules should be communicated now as well.

3) We would like to hear your ideas regarding the scoring format. There are three options that would be possible. 1) as it has been, 2) as the WC has used (5 extra points for winning team) and 3) winning team scores 3 points, losing team gets 0 points (total team points are used to separate teams ending with same amount of points)

If the teams have other suggestions, please do add them to your comments. In principle, we will have one round of suggestions. Please take your time in discussing the teams wishes and consider carefully the points you make, we might have to live by them the coming season.

We would like to emphasize that your input is advisory. We do our best to accommodate your wishes and ideas, but in the end Tia and the working group helping her will have to make the decision. Our hope is that this way we all feel that we are part of the process to make the new season as good as we can.

Please, do submit your teams replies by the 10th of June 2010. That will give us time to incorporate your input for the new season.

Thank you all and good luck.

The mod team


Only spokespersons to post please. Thank you.

Spokespersons are :

The Dealers : Daniella
Hoofs : woosh
The Kickers : macdaddy
ChipMates : nightwriter
The Replacements : chefbuddy
The Village People: TheDeville
SmokinAces : firefly925
PokerNinjas : bat
Untouchables : Adder
AlleyCats : kez
International Ace Kickers : howard77
PokerPuffs : bugz132
Hustlers : allined
Timelords : juliafairy
Pokertiers : gaz2002
SoulSister : froggy

Hi just a quick question,

does this mean league format is not under consideration. Such as 1 whole league where u play all or 2 leagues on same format.

It would be a shame if it wasn't as most other topics hve been put up for discussion. I know alot of teams who would like this format?

I guess this answers the first part mac. As to the second, that was the format this year. If you and your team supports to keep it as it was. then just say so in the advice you come up with together with your team.

Thx Finn mate

Thank you, Tia..
Read, and understood.

=)

All league members/spokespersons:

Please reread Tia's post at the beginning of this thread (listing ideas/suggestions). There was some confusion for some that the 2nd division would not be able to play for the win, which they will. All teams will. The breakdown is to establish divisions only.

Tia has edited the post for clarification.

Thank you.

hi tia

im really confused now.

so based on the format would league A not always be more difficult to win as it will have stonger teams? Im asking for clarity as i dont get it

Yes i suppose it would be more difficult to win. I see it as an extra challenge, this said no one is saying that league b (or div2) what ever it will be called will have it easy either....to much factors are playing when you play a match. In every game anything can happen.
You can look at it this way too league A (or div1) teams are getting the option next season to play against teams that they couldnt play against this season and vica versa.

Hope this is helping
:-)

Just because a team does well in one season, does not mean they will do well in the next. :)

thx for the reponse

ok i will bring this to my team and let you know ASAP

maybe set up an msn group for this would be good. just an idea.

Hello Tia ,
In the thread that Foolme started most seem to agree that a two league system like this year without omaha, or a separate omaha league, is this option available?

Buddy

Hi Buddy,


Div1 and div2 or league A and league B how it will be called isn't decided yet.


Not sure about the 'same structure' because thats something we can only know once we know how many teams want to join the omaha league.

:-)

Tia can we vote for a similar structure as this year without promotion/demotion (This could be without or with omaha) or

Are the choices 1 holdem league or 2 league with promotion/demotion.

Thats what i,m asking also

C'mon guys please.

We have posted this agenda so we could find out how ALL TEAMS MEMBERS thought about the suggestions we made.....we already knew from the start that we wont be able to please every one but you know that we are going to do our best.
Therefore i ask you all to please stick to the points of the agenda.
There won't be a voting.

Thank you.

If a team can only win 3 points or 0, and nothing in between (because no tie),
then why 3 points instead of 1 ?

It would be easier if it was at least consistent.

Inconsistency 1)
We accepted this year a 2-league system where we just play half of teams
just to accomodate Omaha.
In the middle of the season, teams had to recruit Omaha specialists as a consequence.
Now, the only 2-league system that is offered to poll is one which is Holdem-only.

Inconsistency 2)
The 2-league system offered to poll has a promotion/demotion scheme
coupled with a finale First of Division 1 vs First of Division 2.
Both concepts are contradictory, and mixing both is an obvious total non-sense.
It's clearly a last minute fix so that teams of Division 2 do not reject this scheme.

So we are now offered the worst system of all:
-- a system where teams only fight half of the field
-- teams containing omaha specialists with omaha removed
-- creation of a division 2 for demoted but still with ability to fight for title in finale

Is this the answer from the Pokerninjas?

No, it's my remark about what you ask me to discuss with my team:
how do you want me to poll their opinion and make its synthesis
about a system which is contradictory.

Tia i did not mean any offence i just wanted some clarity. Is the above an option, if not its cool, but without a team thread i have to msn all players.

So i want to know as i went to them before and additions were made later

We dont ask for syntheses. Only for the thoughts of the members.

That was the idea, mac...for each team to have an msn meeting with the team members to discuss the given agenda.
:-)

Tia can we vote for a similar structure as this year without promotion/demotion (This could be without or with omaha)

Is the on aption to ask our teams? if not its cool just want to know so i can relay to them accurately.

The Dealers opinion upon the matter...submitted now.

1)
We'd prefer *one* league consisting of 16 teams, where everybody is equal from the start. It gives everyone the same exact chance to win the league. The team which comes to the top of the league..wins the league. Its simple and fair, in our opinion.

It looks like we would have the choice to play in an Omaha league too, that they would run parallel to the Hold'em league.

2)
So, therefore we would rather *not* have to play Omaha next season; given the choice. We feel that teams whom want it, should by all means continue playing it within a League structure. However, we feel that it's not entirely fair to make people play a game; half the members of this entire League would rather not play.

3)
We feel that the scoring system as it stands, is fine and works well.

4)
We also humbly submit the request regarding the structure that....currently, the "home" team always has to post the result, win or lose. We would like to see this changed so that the winning team always posts the results for the next season.

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Summation:
A)One league of 16, played upon even ground from the beginning.
B)Omaha played in a separate League format, which removes teams which do not care nor desire to be involved with Omaha.
C)The current scoring system works for us, and we have no problem with it; standing as is.
D)The winning team posts the results of the game.

Thank you,
The Dealers.

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ETA:
As a complete side note:
I did come up with a league system; just for fun...because Tia did say all suggestions will be looked at.

Take a look at it for your own amusement, if you'd care to.
Click Here.

(If we are going with points added to the scoring system...I did mention in the link that it should be an *even* amount, which is important, for reasons; as I outlined.)

Love your proposal dani.. great minds .. I discussed almost exactly the same two league system with twr last week as virtually the only fair way to have a two league system thats fun and exciting.. were you evesdropping our conversation..lmao...

Tia,
The Replacements have discussed the agenda and have agreed as follows.

We would like of the choices 1 league (option 1)
If omaha is offered we may play in that also

One player from each team as a governing committee is a great ideal

The scoring system has worked fine so far , we see no need to change it

Thank you,,,,,The Replacements

Dani, i applaud your initiative but we were against a system of major and minor league from the start.With your system it appears that only 2 teams a year would advance, at least with the one Hovis had in place for this year 4 teams had a chance to make it to the majors.
This is year was my first year in the league and i dont recall anyone wanting to quit when we new we couldn't make the playoffs, i still believe this is not an issue, we seem to be gaining players and teams not the opposite.

Buddy